To think Boris should not have been married in Westmister Cathedral?

[buggerbuggery]

Divorced people are not allowed to be married in a Catholic church. Boris Johnson has been married twice before. His first marriage was annulled, so the church does not count. But his second marriage does count. So he should never have been allowed to marry in a Catholic Cathedral.

For all we know this could have been a blessing and the legal bit done in a register office
That's what my friend did. Her husband had been married before
It's really none of our business

@buggerbuggery. Another quote picked up from chronicle live.

Catholic author and broadcaster Catherine Pepinster has also offered an explanation as to how the PM could have got married in a Catholic church.

She told the Mail on Sunday as Mr Johnson's previous marriages were not in Catholic settings, the church did not recognise them.

"As far as the church is concerned, this is his first marriage," she said.

"They don't need to be annulled.

@Aquamarine1029

All of the horrific, unspeakable things the Catholic Church is responsible for and/or has turned a blind eye to, and you're concerned about this? Really?

Apparently so ...

Who cares? The Catholic Church is the epitome of hypocrisy - it's the perfect partnership. There are many things I abhor about Boris Johnson but the fact that he's validated his amoral life by way of an amoral institution is neither here or there to me.

YANBU, solely because I think he should be in jail for criminal irresponsibility, never mind getting married yet again.

@Spanglybangles I know that is what is being said in newspapers, but it is not true.
And yes the usual workaround is a blessing in church and a registry office wedding.

@Aquamarine1029

I don't care and it's none of my business. Can't imagine why anyone would care, honestly.

Agreed. I'm past caring what he does quite frankly.

[quote buggerbuggery]"Catholic Wedding Q&A
Can we get married in the Catholic Church if one of us is divorced?
No, unless the previous marriage is found to be not valid or the former spouse has died (Canon 1085).

The marriage covenant is sealed by God, and the Church does not have the authority to dissolve it (see Catechism #1639-1640); the Church bases this on the teaching of Jesus (see Mark 10:6-12).

A new marriage is permitted, however, if the proper Church authorities determine that the previous marriage was invalid sacramentally from the beginning. A declaration that the previous marriage was invalid is called a declaration of nullity, or more commonly, an annulment. An annulment is not a type of divorce, because it does not dissolve the marriage bond; it merely confirms that the marriage bond was never properly contracted in the first place"

www.catholicweddinghelp.com/questions/divorce.htm[/quote]
That's an American website.

If you are so concerned about this as an example of religious hypocrisy, where do you stand on sexual abuse within the Catholic church and its systematic cover up? Or the treatment of unmarried pregnant women in 'laundries'?

@buggerbuggery Nit being of the catholic faith myself, this is not of much interest to me. But I appreciate that your faith is important and understand your perspective. Just demonstrating the possible explanations around this being allowed.

@Nettleskeins

I'm a non practising Catholic, married. I find it abhorrent that he would want to claim that his second marriage wasn't technically a marriage at all. I don't care if he marries several times but don't suddenly claim to have discovered Christian marriage for the "first time", as if everything about your previous life was a sham and wrong in the eyes of God. Just be honest. Have a civil ceremony. Move forward. Don't rewrite history.

Yes was what i thought! And how does that feel for any children of that marriage.

And what would OP say if Boris had been marrying a man?

I’m divorced and remarried. My second marriage was definitely not allowed to be in a Catholic Church - even though my first wedding was actually in a C of E church. And it wouldn’t have felt right anyway. We got married in a registry office.

This “new” rule must be very new indeed. It doesn’t surprise me that Boris would do something that feels very disrespectful, he has no moral compass. I wonder where his next wedding will be?

@giletrouge

This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church. And is this the first time you've noticed your church is hypocritical? Because you've got some ride ahead if you keep looking critically from now on...

The Catholic church is very selective about the rules it applies and always has been.

A more hypocritical Godless organisation would be hard to come by.

I come from a mixed religious background, but the Catholic church takes some beating for hypocrisy, particularly where women are concerned.

Money and position has always been accommodated.

How nice for the 4 children of that marriage to hear it wasn't actually a marriage...

It’s possible to marry in RC church as a divorcee, a friend of mine did it. He was married before but the ex wife was catholic and didn’t get permission to marry in the C ofE which they had, so the marriage wasn’t valid. He married wife no 2 in the Catholic Church IN IRELAND with their 4 kids as bridesmaids/groomsmen. This was over 10 years ago. They’ve since split up but not divorced. He isn’t cut out for monogamy.

It's almost as if marriage and religion are a load of made up old bollocks or something.

I always have to smile at the way Catholicism on Mumsnet is characterised as a set of prescribed rules that can never be broken, when in actual fact they are the "ideal" that us, the failing congregation, attempt to work towards and often fall short at and then try again.

Yes you might get a very hard line conservative priest who might be a stickler for rules but in reality most of these sorts of edicts about who can be married or baptised in which church are at the discretion of the priest or bishop. And I imagine if you are PM that certainly helps too!

And speaking as a Catholic, despite the rules, except in some very rare cases, I don't really hold with annulments as I think they are very disrespectful to the former spouse. And in this instance, there is no way that anyone should be saying that BJ's former marriage to Marina, with whom he had four DC, was invalid in any shape or form.

@PuppyMonkey

It's almost as if marriage and religion are a load of made up old bollocks or something.

Any bets on where his next wedding is going to take place?

@buggerbuggery

The Catholic Church teaches that marriages are unbreakable unions, and thus remarrying after a divorce (without an annulment) is a sin

That's just totally archaic ridiculousness

Mr Johnson should not have been able to marry in any church in my opinion. As he should be in prison awaiting criminal charges.

and is totally hypocritical of the church

Why are so many religious people so utterly blind to the many failings and hypocrisies of the church. It’s flabbergasting, it really is.

Hope you don’t use birth control op, or had sex outside marriage, cos, you know, hypocracy.

I have no religion but it I find what the church has done in this abhorrent. My devoutly Catholic MIL was asked to not even attend church after FIL left her and her two small DC (1980s). It absolutely destroyed her faith, and it was only in the last few years of her life she felt able to return when a new priest made it clear he did not doubt her faith.

I thought Westminster was a CofE cathedral?

@Structuredsward annulments are supposed to be for situations like a forced marriage. There are situations where it does make sense. But I agree I can't see any obvious reason for Boris Johnson's first marriage.
And the latitude Priests allow is normally a church blessing that looks wedding like.