To think Boris should not have been married in Westmister Cathedral?

[buggerbuggery]

Divorced people are not allowed to be married in a Catholic church. Boris Johnson has been married twice before. His first marriage was annulled, so the church does not count. But his second marriage does count. So he should never have been allowed to marry in a Catholic Cathedral.

One of the grounds for annulment is that one of the parties at the time of the marriage had no intention of remaining faithful to the other party.....

Though I would be slightly surprised if the petitioner for an annulment could use those grounds if they were the party in question.

I quite like the idea that St George’s might be secretly Catholic and the Queen’s been hiding it for years

I just hope Lady Bamford was given enough notice to whip up some free Daylesford hampers in time, those wedding guests wont feed themselves (and let's face it, neither will Boris)

@Definitelyrandom

One of the grounds for annulment is that one of the parties at the time of the marriage had no intention of remaining faithful to the other party.....

Though I would be slightly surprised if the petitioner for an annulment could use those grounds if they were the party in question.

On this basis he should probably start the annulment now.

Surprised he managed to convince the priest/bishop he had an understanding of the sacrament and would keep his vows this time tbh.

The rules around getting a marriage annulled are very complex.

I am going to attempt to get mine annulled and it isn’t as straightforward as civil marriage always/never valid.

If he’s getting married in a Catholic Church it’s because the church has looked into it and found that marriages can be annulled under canon law.

It is because he is Prime Minister and the church is behaving terribly.

that is a new rule that I have never heard before.

My aunt’s second wedding was on a Catholic Church, her first was in a registry office. That was 35 years ago.

he is a baptised Catholic. his previous 2 marriages were not Catholic ceremonies therefore the Church dies not count them as valid. Where the confusion arises is if a person was not a baptised catholic and had married in a non catholic ceremony that would still count and you couldn’t get married in a Catholic Church. it’s because he is a baptised catholic that his previous marriages don’t count.

There are quite a lot of circumstances in which you can marry a divorcee in the church (and quite a lot where you can't).

In my family we've had both situations.

Both situations and zero Prime Ministers involved, I should say.

I was chatting to a canon lawyer and an Archbishop friend about this, this morning. Neither previous marriage was valid in the Catholic Church. So technically he is entitled to a Catholic wedding. However I entirely agree that It makes a mockery of the rules.

Seemingly this thread has moved on to discussing/making a mockery of the institution of marriage whether spiritual, faithful or not. This may beg the question what is marriage and is it meaningful or meaningless and an expectation for life or just a temporary fad/pastime in these days of (creative) fluid changeable gender identification and equality of diversity? Such social trends will have impacts on society and planning of resources including, housing, healthcare, education, social issues and law and order/criminality etc which will indirectly impact us all through taxation connotations etc. This is not to suggest religion is a cure to these societal issues but an intriguing debate on religion and it’s flexibility or erosion.

@buggerbuggery

It is because he is Prime Minister and the church is behaving terribly.

'Behaving badly', what only now? Not over centuries 😂

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Seemingly this thread has moved on to discussing/making a mockery of the institution of marriage whether spiritual, faithful or not. This may beg the question what is marriage and is it meaningful or meaningless and an expectation for life or just a temporary fad/pastime in these days of (creative) fluid changeable gender identification and equality of diversity? Such social trends will have impacts on society and planning of resources including, housing, healthcare, education, social issues and law and order/criminality etc which will indirectly impact us all through taxation connotations etc. This is not to suggest religion is a cure to these societal issues but an intriguing debate on religion and it’s flexibility or erosion.

Not sure gender fluidity, diversity or equality are ‘societal issues’ in need of curing

@giletrouge

This is simply because he is Prime Minister and is totally hypocritical of the church. And is this the first time you've noticed your church is hypocritical? Because you've got some ride ahead if you keep looking critically from now on...

Exactly this. If the worst thing you think the catholic church is guilty of is marrying a divorcee you're in for a shock.

My cousin married in a Catholic Church about 25 years ago. It was his second marriage (brides first), his first being a registry office. He was not PM.

Its not your decision to make and it is within the rules set by the Vatican. Objecting is often by people who have no legitimate reason to have an opinion.

If he had no previous Christian marriage, then he is free to marry in a Catholic church - regardless of who he is. I can't stand the man or what he stands for, but understand he is acting in accordance with long established Catholic tradition.

The Catholic Church has never 'behaved badly' apparently

It was a wedding; she looked beautiful and as usual, he looked like he had been dragged through a hedge backwards

There are no fucks given here

Is that the second wife who was happy to have an affair with him whilst he was still married to the first wife? I’d say she knew what was coming tbh.

Maybe she did, maybe she didn’t.

But I don’t think there was any attempt to pretend that the previous marriage didn’t happen.

Either he has had a road to Damascus moment and honestly thinks that 25 years of marriage and 4 children were just a blip that can be swept under the carpet because that wasn’t a real marriage, or he doesn’t believe a word of what he said in church.

Either way his actions are immoral. None of that would matter if he was just a newspaper columnist, but he is the PM.

Maybe dont worry about boris, and be more concerned about the number of catholic priest that are paedophiles

It must be who you know then as I have never heard of this happening before.

‘Not sure gender fluidity, diversity or equality are ‘societal issues’ in need of curing hmm’

The poster never said they were!!!
She was referring to what ethical systems best deal with social issues - health, education, criminal justice etc.

@User629202

Let’s rephrase that to replace “cure” with accommodating or adjusting to. That is to not to suggest an issue or problem but important evolving factors to be recognised and allow for recalibration of traditional society viewpoints. For instance marriage and civil partnership laws have recently been updated to cater to new possibilities and alternative options.

His first marriage was annulled years ago. Possibly before the second one.

@CaptainPovey Yes Youd think he would have abandoned the exploding sofa look for his wedding day.