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DS has a child and doesn't want anything to do with him

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Minewo · 28/05/2021 10:53

I've been lurking for a while but I'm posting as I need advice.

DS is 19 and split up with his girlfriend a few months ago. The other day the girls mum messaged me (we know each other but aren't close) telling me to tell DS to leave her DD alone and stop asking if they can get back together, as her DD doesn't want to get back with him especially as he cheated on her and has a child. I had no idea, I spoke to DS and he denied it at first but then he admitted he has a child but he doesn't want anything to do with it as he was drunk and he told the girl to have an abortion but she didn't.

I just don't know what to do and I just feel so sad as I thought I brought him up better than for him to just abandon his child Sad

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malificent7 · 28/05/2021 13:21

You sound lovely and it's a shame your values have not rubbed off on him. I'd be reading him the riot act with regards to supporting his child and being honest.
You can gave a relationship with his child...it's his loss. Fuming on your behalf.

Dddccc · 28/05/2021 13:25

Ok 1 he need to leave his ex only
2 with it being a 1 night stand is the child even his? Has there been a dna i would not do anything until 1 has been done, also all those says woman's body her choice, should have put a condom on ect, she could have taken something to the pill the morning after pill ect I hate that if a woman chooses to keep the baby from a 1 night stand after not trying to prevent it too that the bloke would have to pay for the next 18 years if he wants to or not, and for all we know he could have used a condom and it could have split.

thelegohooverer · 28/05/2021 13:26

My dc are still much younger, and I may be over reaching my expertise but ime, it pays to take the time to listen and really hear what’s going on for them, rather than launching in with judgements.

Try to get him talking about what happened with the mother of the child and what’s going on with his current ex.

I don’t know if you’ve ever come across the idea of restorative practice (it’s worth a google) but questions like these are a good framework to follow.

What happened?
What were you thinking of at the time?
What have you thought about since?
Who has been affected by what you have done?
In what way have they been affected?
What do you think you need to do to make things right?

I’d be taking the approach that he’s my son, that I’m on his side and want what’s best for him (because ultimately stepping up as a responsible man of good character will do him more good that weasling out of his responsibilities). These are the times when our dc need us most. He’s acting like a scared and stupid boy and it’s time now to be a man, but he needs guidance, wisdom and love to find that bridge and cross it.

There’s a huge social element at play here. I’m not saying you can shrug it off as society’s fault, but it feels very lonely and overwhelming at times to be trying to instil good values in our dc when the wider culture seems to promote the opposite. There was a time when those messages were echoed in school, in church and from govt but we’re living in a decadent, licentious society.

Good luck op, I know it’s a shock, but you can do this.

malificent7 · 28/05/2021 13:26

I'm sorry but if a man commited suicide because his mum gave him a hard time for being a dead beat dad that is NOT the woman's fault.

Castlepeak · 28/05/2021 13:27

How heartbreaking. We do our best to raise our children hoping they will become good people. Finding out he has ignored his child both physically and financially must have been a huge shock.

Now that you know, you can do your best to guide him. He may not take your guidance, but you must try. He needs to start paying support. That part has to be non-negotiable. I’d start by cutting off his access to resources in the house and escalate to evicting him if he continues to refuse. Make it clear you love him and things go back to normal as soon as he starts acting like a human with at least basic morals instead of someone who would literally not concern himself with how a mother and baby are going to survive.

Viviennemary · 28/05/2021 13:28

I think you need to leave him to get on with it. If you think it will be well received you could offer to help with the baby.

Castlepeak · 28/05/2021 13:28

And yes, there absolutely needs to be a dna test immediately.

Nats1984 · 28/05/2021 13:28

This might be fixable. The son is 19, some 19 year olds are really immature . He wanted her to have an abortion, that’s perfectly reasonable if you don’t want to be a parent. She chose not to so a child exists. In true teenage boy style he probably hoped it would all go away if he ignored it. The fact he kept it from you almost proves that theory .So now, your job as a parent is to help he see it won’t go away. Tell him that the child deserves financial support at the least , ideally a family from you and him. Don’t get emotional , present him with facts and practical solutions to move forward. Non pushy , gentle email or DM to babies mum saying you’ve just found everything out and would like the chance to be part of LO’s life would be a good start and you’d get an idea whether she’s open to this. Use positive language when dealing with son not ‘I can’t believe you’ve been such an arsehole’... more like ‘gosh, this is a bit of a mess, let’s see if we can fix this’. Did the boys head out of the sand and you might be surprised how he can eventually step up. Stranger things have happened.

Meowchickameowmeow · 28/05/2021 13:28

he told the girl to have an abortion

Not his place, not his right and you need to have very strong words with him about his attitude to women and their bodies.

Nats1984 · 28/05/2021 13:29

*dig

Dervel · 28/05/2021 13:30

@Minewo ok and how old was he around 9 months before that?

Loveacoseynightin · 28/05/2021 13:31

If it was a ONS and the father asked the mother to get an abortion and the mother decides to keep the baby why should the father then have to contribute to a child he never wanted?

If the woman decides to keep the baby as is her right why should the father be penalised?

ravenmum · 28/05/2021 13:34

Wow...

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Librariesmakeshhhhappen · 28/05/2021 13:34

The baby was born in September? This is so far from OK.

Did you teach him about sex? Did you teach him from his teen years that every time he has sex, he risks a pregnancy. No contraception is 100%. He made the chose to have sex. It has resulted in a child. And his response was to order an abortion and then wash his hands of it?

I would be so far past disappointed I wouldn't even be able to see disappointed anymore. He'd be out on his arse today.

aiwblam · 28/05/2021 13:35

Before considering the baby, you first need to get your ds to stop harassing his current ex. He could get into trouble with the police as she has clearly told him to stop and now the situation has got so bad that her mum has had to ask you to tell him to stop bothering her.

CHILLLADIES · 28/05/2021 13:35

@Loveacoseynightin

If it was a ONS and the father asked the mother to get an abortion and the mother decides to keep the baby why should the father then have to contribute to a child he never wanted?

If the woman decides to keep the baby as is her right why should the father be penalised?

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Librariesmakeshhhhappen · 28/05/2021 13:36

Yet another man who thinks a woman's body is his to control. Who thinks he has a right to have the woman he wants (shown by pestering the girl he cheated on). Who thinks it isnt his job to take an responsibility for the child he created. Leaves it all to the girl. Scumbag.

KingdomScrolls · 28/05/2021 13:36

My uncle is an absolute twat who had no relationship with either of his daughters after he split from their mother when they were very young. My grandparents do and do do the rest of us, they are part of the family him not so much. If you can confirm who the mother is and that it's his baby, you can still be a support to the mother and have a relationship with the child. You can't force your adult son not to be an irresponsible, selfish idiot. That ship has sailed.

shouldistop · 28/05/2021 13:37

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Would people really start paying for a child on their sons behalf or even seeing the child without first having a dna test? This baby was from a drunken on night stand, personally I wouldn’t be seeing or paying for a child without confirmation it was actually my sons child. I’m not sure that would go down well with the mum though 🤔

Why would the mum claim this prince among men is the baby's father if he wasn't? He's a 19yo idiot that wants nothing to do with the baby. What possible advantage would it give the woman to have that as her baby's father.

Rosieandjim04 · 28/05/2021 13:37

@Loveacoseynightin

If it was a ONS and the father asked the mother to get an abortion and the mother decides to keep the baby why should the father then have to contribute to a child he never wanted?

If the woman decides to keep the baby as is her right why should the father be penalised?

The internal misogyny is strong here! Did anyone tell you about the birds and bees ? When two people have sex there is a risk of pregnancy no contraception is 100 percent effective and the woman gets to decide to have an abortion as it is her body . The best thing to do is to not have casual sex .
Librariesmakeshhhhappen · 28/05/2021 13:37

@Loveacoseynightin

Because he made the choice already. He made the choice to risk a child when he had sex.
That's just a fact of life. If you have sex, even with contraception, it may result in a child. If it does, you are responsible for that child.

He made that choice when he had sex with her. He cant refuse all responsibility now, unless the girl somehow stole his sperm of course.

KingdomScrolls · 28/05/2021 13:37

It's also not your responsibility to stop him harassing the ex, if she contexts you b I'd advise her to contact police. He needs to grow up and face the consequences of his actions

diddl · 28/05/2021 13:38

@Loveacoseynightin

If it was a ONS and the father asked the mother to get an abortion and the mother decides to keep the baby why should the father then have to contribute to a child he never wanted?

If the woman decides to keep the baby as is her right why should the father be penalised?

Because he's the father & has responsibilities to his child-how is that being penalised?

Although it does seem pretty easy to avoid said responsibilities.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 28/05/2021 13:38

@mercuree

Sorry this is happening OP and echo what pps said about your son needing to pay for his child and withdrawing ALL support if he refuses.

I had a teenage waste of space dad who wanted nothing to do with me (and never paid a penny!), BUT my paternal gran tracked down my mum and reached out, and kept reaching out until they built up a relationship.

By the time I was 2 I was staying over every second weekend, sometimes every weekend when I got older. We have an absolutely fantastic relationship and her husband (not my father's dad but who cares) played such a paternal role in my life and still does to this day.

As great-grandparents they had my daughters staying once a week to help with childcare and allow me to work. I have brothers with no blood relation to them (because my mum moved on and met someone decent) but siblings call them Granny Annie and Papa and see them almost as an extra set of GPs. They're always popping in for coffee and I'm always popping over for dinner. Love them to bits!

So please, if it's possible, consider attempting to be part of the child's life regardless of your son and reach out to the mum. Don't facilitate and bend over backwards trying to get your son to physically / emotionally step-up - he would do it if he wanted to. He just needs to contribute financially.

Someone else said it first but the more loving people in a child's life, the better.

Well, this made me cry.

I’m so happy you forged a relationship despite your feckless dad. Most of us aren’t lucky enough to have this. It’s lovely to hear about adults being able to adult and think of the well-being of the child.

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