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AIBU to think my Uncle was taking revenge

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DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 09:58

My grandparents were life-long private renters. They never got onto the property ladder for various reasons, and there was not the stigma against renters that there is now. I grew up with them, and in that rented property - leaving when I got my career underway.

There may not have been stigma in the same way (or I was oblivious to it) but there was still insecurity...... The house was owned by an elderly lady and it happened that she (or her children) wanted to sell it. My DGPs were late 70s.

My father and my uncle are both wealthy men. My father at that time lived in I think France, my uncle quite nearby to DGPs. However, I was not informed about the situation, which happened the same year as my daughter was born. My father would never have helped them, that's a given.

My uncle took money out of his investments and purchased the house (which was a character property but unmodernised) outright. I am not sure of the terms that they arranged between them at the outset.

After four years my grandfather died quite suddenly, although he was a good age. My grandmother was left living alone there, with my uncle and aunt a mile or so away and the favourite of the cousins also not too far away.

My uncle has four children - and although he and his wife said they had wanted to adopt me when I ended up (not legally) with my father/uncle's parents - they didn't follow through, or weren't allowed possibly due to my DGP's dislike of their religious beliefs (LDS).
At some point, my uncle admitted to me that he hated the fact that his parents brought me up, as it "took away" from HIS children......
There is always an edge to my dealings with him (religion, and them being so judgemental aside) - for example; my father stood me up for my wedding (well, two day's notice) so my unlce stood in to "give me away" in - but the price was that he humiliated me and made fun of me (spitefully, not affectionately) in the "father" of the Bride speech.

So, he continued to charge my GM rent - at the going rate. When the rent she paid had covered the money he had paid for the house - which was of course, increasing in value, he continued to charge her rent. Never at any point, did he consider granting her some sort of ownership of the property, in full or in part.

So, when she died - again, suddenly - there was apparently no will. And he told me that she left me nothing, and that when he sold the house, the proceeds would be divided between HIS children......

He also did not allow me to speak at her funeral - or even travel with the hearse (almost everyone there knew that I effectively her daughter), and instead, the favourite cousin delivered a eulogy - and words that she spoke were actually carved into the headstone.
(Note, she was not my grandmother's favourite grandchild.)

And, speaking of the headstone - he delayed getting it put at the grave for over four years... I was not allowed to sort it out , because he owns the plot, apparently. Four years! In fact, nearly five...

Am I being paranoid/unreasonable to think that - although not his primary objective - the side effect of my feelings being hurt massively (and not abiding by his mother's wishes) was ahappy consequence for him, given that he hated that I displaced his children somehow?

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BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand · 25/05/2021 16:50

The piano and keepsakes - yes, you absolutely have a right to feel hurt about those. Even if it wasn't written down, he should have tried to ensure you had things to remember your grandparents by.

But you are clinging to the house as evidence of wrongdoing when it is nothing of the kind.

DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 16:52

@BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand

I am NOT pissed off that I didn't get a house.

So why are you outraged that he divided the proceeds between his children?

All I will suggest is to try and put yourself in someone els'e shoes - and maybe read JustLyra's posts - to understand the bigger picture.
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sammylady37 · 25/05/2021 16:52

I will never cease to be amazed by the sense of entitlement some people have to other people’s money/assets.

The simple facts are that your grandparents never owned the house, and your uncle did own it. You are not entitled to anything from the house. To expect your uncle to give you some of the proceeds of the sale is just preposterous. Your uncle did not deprive your grandparents of a choice at all. If they wanted to leave you a house or part of a house, then they should have made different choices way back if/when house ownership was achievable for them. But they chose to rent long term. They always knew therefore that they would not have a house to bequeath.

You are completely illogical and clouded by emotion and bitterness.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 25/05/2021 16:54

You need to stop everything so personally. It's not a reflection or consequence of who you are, but of who they are as people.

Both sets of aunts/uncles would do exactly the same in this situation. My crime? I'm adopted. But that's a justification,not a reason. Both sets are very selfish ,greedy people , interested in their own kids and with no kind of loyalty towards my parents or even their parents. It's about them having more and getting even more but getting all eye twitchy at any perceived unfairness.

It's not about me. It never was. They're just really shitty human beings. Since I'm not a higher power or god,it was never in my power to change or influence that.

You're holding very small people against high(your ) standards. That never goes well, and it will just cause you disappointment again and again.

DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 16:57

And one more thought, I may have said it in subsequent posts - but the OP does not state outright that they were my de facto parents from the age of three. I had no mother to speak of, and effectively no father. I lived with them and was as their daughter - until, as soon as they were both dead, I was NOT.

I have said it in follow-up posts but I understand if some of the responses on here are predicated on me being another grandchild who's nose is out of joint.

The revenge by my Uncle is due to my taking up their time. And he uses money as revenge...

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DysmalRadius · 25/05/2021 16:58

Sorry if I've missed it - when did you find out about the house situation? After your grandmother's death? Because I don't really understand how you can have been involved enough to be in a position to potentially buy your grandparents a house, but not involved enough to be told what.was hapening at the time?

notanothertakeaway · 25/05/2021 16:58

The way he engineered the house to be totally his is something of a moral issue, although there is a financial aspect to it of course

Well he paid for the house, so it belonged to him.....

Your family history sounds sad / complicated, but I think some of your thinking on this is not very logical

sammylady37 · 25/05/2021 17:00

@DumbestBlonde

And one more thought, I may have said it in subsequent posts - but the OP does not state outright that they were my de facto parents from the age of three. I had no mother to speak of, and effectively no father. I lived with them and was as their daughter - until, as soon as they were both dead, I was NOT.

I have said it in follow-up posts but I understand if some of the responses on here are predicated on me being another grandchild who's nose is out of joint.

The revenge by my Uncle is due to my taking up their time. And he uses money as revenge...

That doesn’t change anything about the house and its proceeds, because your grandparents DIDN’T OWN IT.
DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:02

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

You need to stop everything so personally. It's not a reflection or consequence of who you are, but of who they are as people.

Both sets of aunts/uncles would do exactly the same in this situation. My crime? I'm adopted. But that's a justification,not a reason. Both sets are very selfish ,greedy people , interested in their own kids and with no kind of loyalty towards my parents or even their parents. It's about them having more and getting even more but getting all eye twitchy at any perceived unfairness.

It's not about me. It never was. They're just really shitty human beings. Since I'm not a higher power or god,it was never in my power to change or influence that.

You're holding very small people against high(your ) standards. That never goes well, and it will just cause you disappointment again and again.

Thank you [ flowers] I am sorry for your situation too.... But you are more understanding and forgiving that I am, or seem to be.

I promise I am not obsessed by this - but am interested to read others' views, and always feel that I need to respond, acknowledge and yes, defend myself.... (ah, the internet -)

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DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:02
Flowers

an errant space messed them up

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OnlyInYourDreams · 25/05/2021 17:03

OP, what did you call them?

Did you call them mum and dad? Have sibling relationships with your uncle/dad?

Because if not then sadly you are another grandchild, and now you’re seeing that your uncle’s children are doing well while you’re not, and your father who was your actual parent has no interest in being one.

Your grandparents were your stability growing up, but sadly that’s all it was.

As I said above, your issue should be with your father. He’s the one who walked away and has never shown any interest. Your uncle is only doing what most people would do, and looking out for his family.

IND1A · 25/05/2021 17:03

OP you seem very angry that your GP didn’t legally adopt you. It’s highly unlikely that this would have been allowed, as you had some kind of relationship / contact with your father. You say that you didn’t see your mother so I presume she was still alive and there was a possibility that she might have cone back into your life.

The court would have to be convinced that irrevocably cutting your ties with your legal parents would have been in your best interests and from what you’ve said that wasn’t at all clear. Especially as your GP already had a biological and legal connection with you.

You also seem angry that your Gm took you in when you were 3 and had blond hair. And also that they kept you from being put into care.

I don’t understand why you are angry about your hair colour ? And did you think you would have been better off in foster care ?

I think perhaps you are over estimating how “ ideal “ this was for your GP and what a challenge it is to bring up a toddler in your 50s or 60s.

Flowers500 · 25/05/2021 17:03

@DumbestBlonde

And one more thought, I may have said it in subsequent posts - but the OP does not state outright that they were my de facto parents from the age of three. I had no mother to speak of, and effectively no father. I lived with them and was as their daughter - until, as soon as they were both dead, I was NOT.

I have said it in follow-up posts but I understand if some of the responses on here are predicated on me being another grandchild who's nose is out of joint.

The revenge by my Uncle is due to my taking up their time. And he uses money as revenge...

But this issue here is not about your grandparents' assets, they didn't have a house. It's your uncle's assets, which are nothing to do with you regardless of the situation with your parents.

If your grandparents were your parents, it would be no different with regards to the house. You are coming across borderline delusional here

steff13 · 25/05/2021 17:04

I'm confused about who your uncle is taking revenge against. Your grandparents?

anon12345678901 · 25/05/2021 17:04

I did read the thread, and it doesn't matter your grandparents brought you up with regards to the house. They had no money or asset to leave you. The house belonged to your uncle, therefore my point still stands, you do not have a claim to the house, regardless of your grandparents who raised you and brought you up, because they did not own it and also had no claim to it.
You seem to think he didn't give you a share because he was jealous, even if that is the case, you aren't entitled to a share just because of your grandparents.

JustLyra · 25/05/2021 17:06

I don’t really think the thread is going to help you.

You’d be better posting somewhere where people get the difficult dynamics and can see that it’s not about the actual cash.

DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:06

@DysmalRadius

Sorry if I've missed it - when did you find out about the house situation? After your grandmother's death? Because I don't really understand how you can have been involved enough to be in a position to potentially buy your grandparents a house, but not involved enough to be told what.was hapening at the time?
I found out about it as a done deal after nearly two years. What I have said is that I could have done something IF I HAD KNOWN at the time....When I DID find out about it, what had been done could not be undone.

Hashtag Hindsight Smile

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kgov1 · 25/05/2021 17:06

If you had bought the property for your grandmother and transferred it in to her name and she then died without a will, you would still have got nothing. You uncle could still then have gifted his share to his children despite you having bought the property. He sounds like he is jealous of your relationship with his mother. Just move on and forget him, knowing you did the best you could with what you knew at the time.

DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:07

@steff13

I'm confused about who your uncle is taking revenge against. Your grandparents?
Me. And yes, grown men CAN want to have revenge on women, even - especially - if related.
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GucciJackie · 25/05/2021 17:07

It's not about taking it personally, i think you have a core wound of being peripheral and excluded and that wound is being triggered now. You say you had counselling but did you have psycotherapy?

DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:08

@JustLyra

I don’t really think the thread is going to help you.

You’d be better posting somewhere where people get the difficult dynamics and can see that it’s not about the actual cash.

Phew - probably right.
But I'm not going through it all again...... Your posts have saved me (from myself).

Thank you x

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DumbestBlonde · 25/05/2021 17:12

@GucciJackie

It's not about taking it personally, i think you have a core wound of being peripheral and excluded and that wound is being triggered now. You say you had counselling but did you have psycotherapy?
Oh you are right. Certain things do trigger me - and it is getting worse, not better.

In terms of being peripheral ---- I last spoke to my father I think over two years ago. In that conversation he told me that, to me, he is Jupiter and to him, I am Pluto. Well we all know what's happened to poor little declassified Pluto Sad

I have recently found out that there is such a thing as a Jupiter ?"complex" - so there you go.

I had a night in Hospital and after being seen by a Psychiatrist before release, he told me, "You are one of the most normal people I have met".

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JustLyra · 25/05/2021 17:12

@DumbestBlonde It’s really worth seeing if you can find a therapist that gets it.

My first two were rubbish (for me). The third changed my life.

I’m a better parent, a happier person and I’m much less of a victim now (I hadn’t even realised how much shit I took from other people).

It was hard, really hard, but so worth it.

AccidentallyOnPurpose · 25/05/2021 17:13

@DumbestBlonde I'm not understanding at all. They are wastes of oxygen and I want nothing to do with them. But realising it's literally them not you is the only way to heal and overcome this.

Your uncle reacted to your sheer existence. That's not your fault. It would've been irrelevant if you were your grandparents child or not lived with them. Just by existing you took something away from him/his kids. Can you really be blamed for that? Just by being alive? No. So he's the one with the disordered, toxic and frankly sociopathic thinking.

The words you use, the reasoning you use - anger,revenge etc. , it shows that you're still assigning yourself blame even if subconsciously. There's nothing to be angry about. There's nothing to seek revenge for. So if he is, that's on him not on you. You need to let go of the guilt OP. You didn't cause this.

And let's face it, despite your rants... it's not really anger you're feeling.

steff13 · 25/05/2021 17:13

Me.
And yes, grown men CAN want to have revenge on women, even - especially - if related.

You said he uses money for revenge. He never owed you any money, so how has he taken revenge on you? Confused

And I know men can want to take revenge on women. I never implied otherwise...

This happened a long time ago, perhaps you need to speak to someone to help you come to terms with it.

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