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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To not lend her my stuff?

347 replies

TentTalk · 20/05/2021 11:24

TLDR: DH and I are avid campers and bought a new (expensive) tent in the 2019 black Friday sales, we've used it twice and now friend who has never camped before wants to borrow it. We said no and 'friend' has called us selfish and says we've ruined her and her kids holiday. AIBU?

As above, DH and I are keen campers and have camped for many years, back packing in the UK and across Europe. With the arrival of DC2 we bought a new large family tent for more comfort. It's great but it was really expensive, but we feel its an investment and we will treat it well. We bought it in November 2019, ready for the 202 season (hah!) we managed to use it twice last year and have 3 trips booked this year (all UK). A friend recently said she would like to try camping, I suggested she book one of the times we are going, so we could share some o the equipment like the stove and stuff, rather than her forking out for all new kit when she may not like it, or that she goes to one of the 'glamping' sites where it is all set up for you. She then said she had already booked a week and had hoped to borrow all our stuff. She was quite shocked when I refused and became quite nasty saying we were ruining her holiday and that we were selfish. I said I don't mind lending her the kids sims and sleeping bags and the camp stove but the other stuff, especially the tent is just too much.

My concerns are that it will get damaged, either by wind or misuse (fire too close, kids not being careful, someone getting drunk and stumbling over it etc). We do have insurance, but it is only valid when we use it, not if we loan it out. The other issue is that the time they are going away is the week before we do, so if it does get damaged I won't have time to test it all out or erect the tent, or replace the stuff if it is damaged. Friend is not always the most considerate person.

AIBU?

If it's relevant, we have over £2k of camping equipment and the tent was about £750.

OP posts:
Viviennemary · 20/05/2021 12:30

No. Tell her its insured and your insurance doesnt cover lending it out.

starfishmummy · 20/05/2021 12:30

But don't you have an old pop-up tent or kids tent for 2-3 people? Tell her, she can have that but please don't tell her how small it is.

I like this idea.

TentTalk · 20/05/2021 12:31

I would probably lend our stuff out to a couple of other camping families, if it was an emergency such as their tent got badly damaged in a house flood/ eaten by mice etc and it was as they were packing up BUT I would know they would take care of it and be mortified if anything happened to it.

I daren't actually add up how much our equipment cost, I don't want to think about it. I do believe in buy well, buy once though (if you can afford it obviously).

OP posts:
Florin · 20/05/2021 12:32

God no I can’t imagine anyone who has a decent tent would ever lend it to a beginner. It is almost guaranteed to come back damaged as not put up/down correctly or not pegged correctly etc etc you couldn’t trust them it was properly dry so you would need to air it all out which is a big job.

user1471538283 · 20/05/2021 12:32

So much entitlement. No one books something with the expectation that a friend then loans the equipment.

When DS first went to a festival I was more than willing to go halves on a tent for him and his mate. As it was a friend of mine offered for them to loan her tent obviously with the understanding that any damage I would pay for!

Tents and all that gear are expensive and even if they were not - it is your stuff and you will choose how it is used. Her circus, her monkeys!

osbertthesyrianhamster · 20/05/2021 12:33

You were doubting yourself about this cheeky entitled pisstaker? Fuck that. I'd honestly ditch her entirely. Just block her. She thinks FA of you and is so self-absorbed other people are there just to serve her.

'I spent some time thinking about your horrible remarks to me. What kind of person is so entitled and self-absorbed they book a holiday assuming someone else will hand over thousands of pounds of equipment to enable it and then has the nerve to label that person 'selfish' and 'ruined our holiday' when they don't kowtow to your strops? Someone who has no respect for others as friends, their time, their property and think the world is there to serve them. How immature and self-centred. I'm not interested in maintaining any sort of contact with such an individual, so fuck off.'

What a total twat she is.

PremierSmeage · 20/05/2021 12:34

YANBU at all op.

No way would I lend out something new and expensive to a disrespectful friend who is rude to you and doesn't look after stuff.

HermioneWeasley · 20/05/2021 12:34

What do you get out of this “friendship”?

Nanny0gg · 20/05/2021 12:36

I wouldn't lend something that expensive to my best friend, let alone to one who isn't that close

katy1213 · 20/05/2021 12:36

I wouldn't even lend the sleeping bags after that rudeness.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 20/05/2021 12:37

@katy1213

I wouldn't even lend the sleeping bags after that rudeness.
Me, neither. She'll come back and chance her arm and try to manipulate the OP. Needs to be told to go to fuck.
TheThermalStair · 20/05/2021 12:39

She might as well have said "I assumed you'd lend me your car, you're ruining my holiday - how am I supposed to drive there?" I've had cars that cost less than that.

Send her a link to Mountain Warehouse's tent section and forget about it.

NoSquirrels · 20/05/2021 12:40

She can buy a cheap tent.
100% not your problem.

ForwardRanger · 20/05/2021 12:41

You don't have to justify your decision! It's your stuff and you are not obliged to loan it or offer any explanations. Just a "No, sorry we don't lend our camping gear" is sufficient. If she cannot accept that then great, your friendship difficulty is resolved!

I'm just sorry you are feeling so uncomfortable when the only person behaving badly is her.

Be strong, you can do this!!

osbertthesyrianhamster · 20/05/2021 12:42

And no, no apologies or excuses or justifications or suggestions she do X, Y or Z. She's a pisstaker.

UpTheJunktion · 20/05/2021 12:49

No way in hell would I lend my newish / pride and joy tent to a family, especially an inexperienced camper.

You only have to look at some of the Facebook camping groups to see how many friendships have been ruined by damage to loaned tents.

These are the things I take great care of around my tent:
No bubble mixture anywhere near (compromises the waterproofing)
No aerosols used in the tent (residue is a fire risk, solvent sprays in things like deodorant can damage or compromise waterproofing)
No wiping the tent down with any kind of cleaning material except water
No grease splatters inside or out
No kids hurling themselves against the tent walls
Careful not to jam zips
Packed away scrupulously clean and dry

Things that have irritated me after I have lent stuff:
The folding table comes back without the box - so harder to pack and keep together
The gas bottle comes back without the screw in top valve - had to get a new one
The pump comes back with half it's nozzles missing, snapped off the plastic thingy
Chairs come back having had milk spilt on them and not properly cleaned = stinking.

I pre-empt this now: "Interested in camping? I'm sure you'll love it - let me know if you want to borrow a few bits and bobs but I'm afraid my tent is my baby so that stays with me"

She had no business presuming, and no business getting nasty about your decision.

1FootInTheRave · 20/05/2021 12:49

She is a horrid entitled cunt.

Not a friend.

Taikoo · 20/05/2021 12:54

Cheeky bint. YANBU.

Tell her to jog on to Decathlon.

LolaSmiles · 20/05/2021 12:55

it's a "3 man" but anyone who has ever camped will know they actually mean 3 twigs who don't move in their sleep
Grin
You're spot on there.

Your friend is a cheeky one. I can't believe she's assuming she can take your stuff.

PussGirl · 20/05/2021 12:56

Can't believe she assumed you'd lend your tent and booked her holiday without asking first!!

She's probably related to the cheeky mare from the other week who was holding a barbecue by assuming she could borrow one from a guest Grin

Doorhandleghost · 20/05/2021 12:56

This is exactly the sort of person you don’t lend your precious stuff to. She most likely doesn’t take camping seriously enough to understand it’s equipment that needs looking after and it’s highly likely she will break some part of it and not want to pay for a replacement (especially as she had no intention of paying for a tent of her own!)

I wouldn’t lend her anything at all after her attitude.

EileenGC · 20/05/2021 12:58

your new tent would sleep 4 wouldn't it?

'Yes it does. Would you like me to send you a link to it? Maybe you can order it tonight and it should arrive before your holiday starts!' With a smile.

UpTheJunktion · 20/05/2021 13:01

I wouldn't lend expensive SIMs either - too easily punctured by excited kids allowed to jump all over them in buckled shoes.

(I have lent lots of camping things to friends who I know are experienced campers and careful with people's stuff.)

The other thing to consider is that a polyester tent has a certain number of weeks that it can be in UV light before it starts to decay.

So her week in Cornwall literally takes a week's use of the tent off your own holidays in the future.

MikeWozniaksGloriousTache · 20/05/2021 13:03

Christ no you're not being unreasonable! She didn't even ask, just assuming you're entitled to borrow someone else's stuff on account of being mates is the highest level of cheeky fuckery. Even if you had previously agreed to loaning her the equipment she didn't even check the dates, you could have booked something yourself! The only person who has ruined her kids holiday is her for being such an entitled wanker. Have you responded to her 'kids are crying now thanks' spiel?

Eddielzzard · 20/05/2021 13:07

CF alert! You dodged a bullet there. What a cheek!