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A message from a trans friend. International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia .....

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Biber · 18/05/2021 09:59

Apparently today is the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia...

I shall do my part, so here are a few things that might help others to understand better.

Everyone has to go to the toilet at some point. I think even for many non-trans people, public toilets are often only used as a last resort (has anyone ever actually been inside a "nice" public toilet?). This is also the case for trans people. No one uses them unless the really have to. Trans people aren't thinking about what's down there on other people or anything like that (only perverts are). Trans people just want to avoid making a stinking mess in their underwear, without having to prove what they themselves have (or haven't got) down there (i.e. some dignity would be nice). No one should feel uncomfortable doing their business and everyone is entitled to privacy. That applies to both trans and non-trans people. If someone does make you feel uncomfortable through their actions (not by how they dress or present themselves), then you should do something about it, because you in fact are likely not the only one who will be uncomfortable.
In short, why aren't all public toilets individual and completely private? Do spare a thought for those of us with more generalised anxiety disorders...

There are some people who are quite happy to include trans people once they have fully transitioned, i.e. undergone surgery. That's great, we just need to tell our doctors and the trust who is going to fund the surgery and the surgeons and the hospital where we will be having the surgery that they all need to bloody well hurry up so that we can have the surgery and be finally be included. Don't they realise that if we have to wait another year, we are going to continue to be excluded? That some people will still deny us the right to use certain facilities (the loo in some cases)? Forget the fact that it would be great to have the surgery as soon as possible so that we can be comfortable with ourselves and get on with our lives... So, trans people are being "temporarily excluded" because they cannot speed up a system (that they themselves so badly want to speed up), which is already under-resourced and overwhelmed saving people's lives.
Oh, and btw, trans people are aware that it isn't the surgery that finally makes them the other sex/gender. They know they are more likely to see a properly funded and resourced NHS under the Tories than they are to ever have children once they have had the surgery; that it's all a sort of compromise/this is the best that can be done with your body. But until or unless huge advances are made in medicine and surgery, this is the best that can be achieved for now. Well, it is better than nothing. After all, it hasn't even been 100 years yet since the first sex reassignment surgery was performed.

Of course, that is assuming all transgender people can have surgery, or even want surgery. As surprising as it may sound, transgender people come in all sorts - old and young, short and tall, all sorts of ethnicities, cool, boring, fun, smart, stupid... Oh, and they also differ in terms of their gender identities and presentation (the clue is after all in the term). Some of them might just not be very conventional in terms of their presentation and behaviour, have no interest in taking hormones, and definitely do not want surgery. Others will go all the way and do it so well that you will doubt they are telling the truth about them being trans, even as they shove a copy of their birth certificate and their baby pictures in your face. A lot of people are somewhere inbetween. One does have to wonder how a single term can be used to describe such a diverse range of people! With that in mind, I propose we rename it to "gender-diverse" (like "neuro-diverse"), because "diverse" seems like such a good word at the moment, right?

Trans people exist. Always have, always will. Everywhere. If you have a friend who is trans and is happy to speak to you about it and answer any questions you have, then do speak to them about it. This is important. Why? Because not all trans people are so happy or willing to talk about it. Why? Because how many times do you have to explain the same things over and over again to people who will, despite their best intentions, never really get it? To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you, and you spend a long time waiting in uncertainty. Speaking of uncertainty, trans people have one thing to thank covid-19 for: every single person in the world now knows what it is like to have their live on hold for a long period of time, faced with uncertainties in a situation far beyond their control, in a system that is not prepared to deal with them. Now you all have an understanding of what it is like emotionally to be trans (though without the gender bit), and I'm sorry because I would not have wished that even on my worst enemies (ok, well maybe for a few weeks at most for the worst of the worst).

And with that, I bid you all a happy International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia!

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Hoppinggreen · 18/05/2021 10:37

I understand fine thank you

Tibtom · 18/05/2021 10:40

Just to clear a few things up.

There are more transwomen murderers in the uk than there are transwomen who have been murdered.

Transwomen commit crime at the same rate as other men and half of transwomen prisoners are there for sex offences.

The vast majority of transwomen do no have any surgery and to identify as trans you do not need to make any changes to your appearance - no surgery, hormones, feminie clothing or a shave is required.

Women are 18 times more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex (cubicle) changing rooms.

Women are entitled to safety, privacy and dignity and even if you don't mind you are not entitled to remove this from other women.

CervixSampler · 18/05/2021 10:41

How unusual for something about homophobia and biphobia along with transphobia to be completely dominated by the T. I've never seen that before.

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 18/05/2021 10:41

i see a huge post lecturing women on being subjugated trans people but not a word about homophobia or biphobia and you left off the interphobia completely. Happy IDA HOBI T 2021!

titchy · 18/05/2021 10:41

@Geamhradh

OP is so keen to die on this particular hill she even got the day wrong. It was yesterday.
Maybe she(?) spent yesterday posting on other forums about gay rights? 🤷‍♀️
NormanSicily · 18/05/2021 10:41

@Tibtom well said.

purpleboy · 18/05/2021 10:45

@Tibtom 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

Op you seem to have mixed your dates up, and you also seem to ignore the homophobia and biphobia. Why is that?

LigPatin · 18/05/2021 10:46

@Tibtom

Just to clear a few things up.

There are more transwomen murderers in the uk than there are transwomen who have been murdered.

Transwomen commit crime at the same rate as other men and half of transwomen prisoners are there for sex offences.

The vast majority of transwomen do no have any surgery and to identify as trans you do not need to make any changes to your appearance - no surgery, hormones, feminie clothing or a shave is required.

Women are 18 times more likely to be assaulted in mixed sex (cubicle) changing rooms.

Women are entitled to safety, privacy and dignity and even if you don't mind you are not entitled to remove this from other women.

@Tibtom

Im absolutely in agreement with you - could you kindly quote your sources so I can use these stats next time my TRA friends try to debate

fungalgal · 18/05/2021 10:47

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LalalalalalaLand123 · 18/05/2021 10:47

What a delusional, gaslighting, misogynistic post OP - it's also homophobic and biphobic by omission, as you didn't say anything about the LGB, only the T.
Females need single-sex spaces. Trans people are not being denied toilet facilities, they are free to use the facilities that correspond to their biological sex. Females are a biological sex-class, oppressed & abused on that basis, so we need sex-based protections from the male sex.

To a society that at present, partly excludes you at best, and at worst tries to kill you. A society where your rights and existence are denied, where people don't believe you
As said by PP above, this is exactly the experience of women. Why don't you listen to women, OP? Also, have you checked the murder rates against trans people in the UK lately, OP?

(PS IDAHOBIT was yesterday.)

WoolOfBat · 18/05/2021 10:47

The tweet above is about women’s toilets and people other than biological women using them.

Posting again (just to avoid confusion)

mobile.twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1392769251346456579

grapewine · 18/05/2021 10:48

@CervixSampler

How unusual for something about homophobia and biphobia along with transphobia to be completely dominated by the T. I've never seen that before.
Quite. It's tiresome.
Norked · 18/05/2021 10:48

@financialrecovery

Also we aren't discussing women's rights. She was discussing trans.

It's like discussing racism and saying "what about white people?"

Well yes but this isn't the experience we're discussing. Nobody is saying they aren't important and don't experience problems. But the focus needs to be on solely trans problems at times.

Discussing women's rights is absolutely relevant when discussing trans rights. Because its women's spaces that trans people are wanting to share. The focus cannot be on "solely trans problems" here.
lifeturnsonadime · 18/05/2021 10:49

What I don't understand is why it wouldn't be a massive step forward for trans rights to encourage people to be more inclusive of their own sex class however they identify.

If a transwoman feels that uncomfortable in the men's (sexed) loos then why is it appropriate for her to make women uncomfortable in female sex loos? Given that the Stonewall definition of trans requires no change in outward appearance, the detriment to women is that they can't challenge any man who enters female facilities. This has a disproportionate impact on women. Particularly vulnerable ones and more importantly than loos the impact on sport, refuges and prisons.

Surely the more inclusive answer is for males to accept all males however they identify?

Otherwise it's validation at the expense of women who have no choice.

And it's not possible to pretend that trans rights don't impact women unless you come from a huge point of privilege.

AssassinatedBeauty · 18/05/2021 10:50

Speaking of uncertainty, trans people have one thing to thank covid-19 for: every single person in the world now knows what it is like to have their live on hold for a long period of time, faced with uncertainties in a situation far beyond their control, in a system that is not prepared to deal with them. Now you all have an understanding of what it is like emotionally to be trans

Patronising much?? Do you really think that before covid, this experience was exclusive to trans people? Wow.

AlfonsoTheTerrible · 18/05/2021 10:51

OP, you seem to think that women are preventing transwomen from using lavatories. That is incorrect.

Transwomen are free to use lavatories that correspond to their sex. Just like women and men and transmen.

GCAcademic · 18/05/2021 10:52

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thepuredrop · 18/05/2021 10:52

I have a trans friend (FtM, dislikes the word ‘trans’) who wishes that women and our rights would be respected.

PennineSpring · 18/05/2021 10:53

I spent yesterday wondering who Ida Hobit was. At least now I know Grin

thegreylady · 18/05/2021 10:53

If someone discreetly uses a ladies lavatory and isn’t obviously a man I don’t even notice. If someone came in and said, “I’m trans, does anyone mind if I use my penis in the cubicle to have a pee?” Then I might be a little flummoxed by it .

SirVixofVixHall · 18/05/2021 10:55

Are you doing patronising at uni OP ?

BreastedBoobilyToTheStairs · 18/05/2021 10:55

You managed to write a short essay about International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia but don't mention gay, lesbian or bi people once in the body of the text.

Kind of like when the day of Lesbian Visibility was a day 'to celebrate all women in the LGTBQIA+ community', not just lesbians.

Funny how that keeps happening.

Artichokeleaves · 18/05/2021 10:56

What do you plan to do with the female people who cannot used mixed sex spaces op?

They exist too.
Would also like to just pee.
Many have protected characteristics.
Many have anxiety too.

Isn't it a problem to create a situation which excludes them, and have female provision that no longer in fact is accessible to all females?

The obvious solution is to campaign for additional mixed sex spaces to be provided. Female only spaces are needed by many people, and male people's needs are not more important than theirs.

Hazelnutlatteplease · 18/05/2021 10:57

You do realise that Children with SN wait longer to access physiotherapy and occupational therapy than trans people do to access Gender realignment clinics. Double the time in many cases.

Just think about that a sec.

Children who need therapy to enable them to just to walk have less access to NHS services that people accessing an unscientific service we poor outcomes.

Angry