To think we shouldn’t have another lockdown to protect vaccine refusers?

[Susie477]

Everyone over 40 or in high-risk groups has now been offered a vaccine. The overwhelming majority, including me, have gratefully taken up the offer. A small minority have refused the vaccine, as is their right, of course.

Now we are seeing new ‘variants of concern’ and unvaccinated vulnerable people in some areas are now being hospitalised because they have been infected.

Some people are now calling for extended restrictions in these areas to prevent the new variant spreading. Why should responsible people who have been vaccinated be punished by yet more lockdown because idiots in their communities are too stupid or too selfish to get vaccinated?

GappyValley

I don’t know how people actually get through life with this level of paranoia and total absence of critical thinking

I agree with the "absence of critical thinking"... but once you have made the decision, you are obviously never going to accept it was anything but the right one, and I am not trying to convince you otherwise. Just wish you luck.

@MercyBooth

Christmas being a prime example

WTF was that press conference about on the 19th December then? The clogged up ports in Kent when France reacted to it. This gaslighting, rewriting of history and minimization of the sacrifices ppl have already made will ensure ZERO co operation in future. Sick of the gaslighting. Christmas WAS cancelled for many. London AND Essex were in tier 4.
Well fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. People will NOT do another fucking lockdown or more restrictions when a few months later certain quarters are going to gaslight minimize and pretend it never happened. No Fucking Way. Ungrateful and abusive.

People did NOT follow the lockdown and restrictions at Christmas, that's the point.

Even the royals were photographed having a meet-up in a public place

The first lockdown was relatively well followed until last summer, since then, not so much. Christmas was everything BUT a lockdown. We all know how well that ended and how we all paid for that!

@JesusIsAnyNameFree Medical procedures need informed consent in the U.K. This is well established in law and would be dangerous to overturn.

I think you’re forgetting there’s a lot of people who CANT have vaccines or who vaccines don’t work. For example it’s not looking good for transplant patients, studies have shown that a lot of patients aren’t making antibodies when given the vaccine (due to their anti rejection meds). I’m not saying there should or shouldn’t be another lockdown but please don’t assume people who haven’t been vaccinated successfully are so by choice

The premise of this is that vaccine refusers are a big issue. We've not got round to inviting the under 37 year olds to vaccinate, yet 69% of the adult population have been vaccinated with at least 1 jab. It looks like around 3-4% of people who could have the vaccine haven't, although that might be higher when we get to younger, less vulnerable groups.

But if they arent all condensed in one area, we shouldn't need to worry that much about them. Problem comes when whole communities don't get vaccinated.

Anti vax types are loud. They are also a minority position enough that we can probably just ignore them.

Some people cannot have the vaccine.
Some people have had to delay the vaccine - I only had my first recently because I was too ill to get it when offered.
Some people have reactions to the vaccine which mean another dose is not advisable for them.
The vaccine does not work for everyone.
Some younger people are highly vulnerable.
More circulating coronavirus means more chance of mutations - any of which could be resistant to the current vaccines.

@freakyfridays

Who? Children? The most vulnerable are the over 50s and those with conditions that make them vulnerable, and all but a small number of children and others who for other reasons can't have the vaccine (e.g. due to chemo) have been offered it, many have had 2 doses.

where on earth are you?

People over 40 are still struggling to find a spot to book their first jab here! (South East).

My daughter and her partner are both 25 and have had their first vaccine. Wales.

@MargosKaftan

The premise of this is that vaccine refusers are a big issue. We've not got round to inviting the under 37 year olds to vaccinate, yet 69% of the adult population have been vaccinated with at least 1 jab. It looks like around 3-4% of people who could have the vaccine haven't, although that might be higher when we get to younger, less vulnerable groups.

But if they arent all condensed in one area, we shouldn't need to worry that much about them. Problem comes when whole communities don't get vaccinated.

Anti vax types are loud. They are also a minority position enough that we can probably just ignore them.

That's the point though, vaccine hesitant people often are concentrated in a few places. Not because they're selfish or foolish people (admittedly this thread suggests that maybe some are), but because there are entire communities that lack trust in authorities or who have highly influential local people speaking out against it. Just look at vaccination rates for older Black British groups Vs white. Or groups such as the homeless who are often vulnerable, in and out of communal living situations, but also lack a home address and often live chaotic lives. It's not as simple as assuming everyone who hasn't got a vaccination is stridently 'anti-vax'

We never needed lockdown period. Vaccine jr no vaccine and these variants are so similar they are practically the same
This is just more hysteria and fear mongering!

A lot of people at risk of hospitalisation and being really quite ill still haven’t had or have only just had their second dose - it takes up to 3 weeks to build proper protection.

I think it would be prudent to protect these people now that we know we can and offer some protection to younger age groups as well as having some downward pressure on the spread through vaccinating the supposed spreaders in these younger age groups.

I’d rather have another 6/8 weeks at where we are now if it stops a stricter set of measures or people who want the jab getting sick needlessly whilst awaiting their second vaccine.

Despite the narrative asymptomatic people do not spread the virus
Healthy people of working age don’t need vaccinating. Those 70+ or younger with medical issues should have been vaccinated or at least the choice
Lockdowns have no impact other than destroying livelihoods and possibly killing people by preventing people access to healthcare

@millymollymoomoo

We never needed lockdown period. Vaccine jr no vaccine and these variants are so similar they are practically the same This is just more hysteria and fear mongering!

and covid is just the flu, or doesn't even exist, yeah we know.

It was all a big scam allowing medical staff on covid wards and emergency personnel to practice their tik tok dances.

[quote Randomness12]@normalsaline the RCOG recommend it based on a risk/benefit analysis - that does not mean it is safe or tested, just that it is believed to be “safer” than catching Covid while you are pregnant.

The babies born in the states to vaccinated mothers are weeks or a few months old. Whilst I don’t doubt the vast majority are physically healthy there is no long term data for things like learning difficulties because it is simply too new, any issues of this ilk would take years to come to the fore and then need extensive research into cause and effect.

You cannot say it is a simple choice for all just because you are happy to take it.[/quote]
This. I said pretty much this to my consultant at an antenatal appointment and was told if I was his other half he'd be advising me not to have the vaccine. It was a very difficult decision for me as I've lost 2 pregnancies in the past (before Covid) before having a take home baby born just before the first lockdown and so I'm anxious about losing a third baby. I'm also incredibly worried about the unknown long term effects of the vaccine as there's simply no data/evidence given they are so new. After weighing everything up after doing a lot of reading up on what is and isn't known I've taken the difficult decision not to take the vaccine until after I've given birth and will just have to take as many precautions as possible and pray I don't catch Covid again (had it last year).

If the government had closed the borders for other than movement of goods, and especially if the red list designation for India had been at the same time as Pakistan and Bangladesh, maybe the issue would be less.

A proper system of following up those who haven't taken up the vaccine seems to be working in at least one of the areas, perhaps it should be done as we move down the age groups.

Freakyfridats, actually covid is slightly more dangerous to elderly and medically vulnerable people than flu, but to younger and healthy people influenza is actually more dangerous. But you carry on believing the narrative if it suits you despite not being correct

Don’t forget there will be some people who can’t have the vaccine because it’s medically contraindicated.

There will also be a small % who are fully vaccinated, but who didn’t develop antibodies, and are therefore not immune.

Until herd immunity is reached by vaccinating the required % of the population, these people remain vulnerable.

It isn’t just about the over 40’s or CEV.

Well if it was up to me I would just drag people out of their houses and strap them in a chair and inject them at this point. But I've had it up to here with the anti-vaxxers today.

It’s not up to you and never will be. 🍑 🍩

millymollymoomoo

you seem to confuse actual facts and your random opinion.

I don't think we should have another fucking lockdown at all.

@osbertthesyrianhamster

I don't think we should have another fucking lockdown at all.

we won't. No one bothered respecting the last one anyway, so it would be rather pointless.

Summer is coming, we are not going to be stuck in the UK and see all holidays cancelled. Even last year holidays were allowed.

Bit selfish considering a huge amount of the population haven’t been offered one let alone two doses. Several categories of people who are higher risk haven’t been prioritised so haven’t been offered the vaccine yet either, such as asthmatics and pregnant women. Think we need to remember this.

@normalsaline not everyone pregnant has been able to access the vaccine yet. I don't know anyone, admittedly a small sample. I'm in my final trimester and jumping through hoops to get dose one. Was ineligible when it came out.

@KaleSlayer

Well if it was up to me I would just drag people out of their houses and strap them in a chair and inject them at this point. But I've had it up to here with the anti-vaxxers today.

It’s not up to you and never will be. 🍑 🍩

Well aren't you clever with your emojis 😯👏👏

This country is full of selfish dickheads.