To think we shouldn’t have another lockdown to protect vaccine refusers?

[Susie477]

Everyone over 40 or in high-risk groups has now been offered a vaccine. The overwhelming majority, including me, have gratefully taken up the offer. A small minority have refused the vaccine, as is their right, of course.

Now we are seeing new ‘variants of concern’ and unvaccinated vulnerable people in some areas are now being hospitalised because they have been infected.

Some people are now calling for extended restrictions in these areas to prevent the new variant spreading. Why should responsible people who have been vaccinated be punished by yet more lockdown because idiots in their communities are too stupid or too selfish to get vaccinated?

I did not refuse the vaccine. It is not being forced on me, so is not something I "refuse". I have declined my invite. Do you "refuse" to go to a wedding if invited?

YANBU. Everyone under 40 is low risk, people under 40 need to understand that we did not lock down to protect them in the first place. I am 30 and healthy so haven't been offered the vaccine yet. Lockdown was to protect the elderly and vulnerable and the NHS, not us.

Who? Children? The most vulnerable are the over 50s and those with conditions that make them vulnerable, and all but a small number of children and others who for other reasons can't have the vaccine (e.g. due to chemo) have been offered it, many have had 2 doses.

where on earth are you?

People over 40 are still struggling to find a spot to book their first jab here! (South East).

@freakyfridays

I’m pregnant It was a really easy decision for me to take Listened to doctors advice, took advice, got jab. Decision done

How is that relevant?

You found it easy, and you were lucky.

Other mothers might not find it so easy, as no one knows what the effect on the baby are, and other mothers ended up with high temperature for days, which is never good for the baby either.

Some doctors and paediatricians do not recommend the jab for pregnant women btw. As much as we would love a straight answer, it really is not that easy.

Im not ‘lucky’ to be able to make a decision I just have more than half a brain and am able to judge that when entire medical professions conclude benefits far outweigh risks, it’s the right thing to do

I think as a society, we are pretty much over pandering to people who have run out of common sense and get their information from Facebook rather than, you know, actual scientists

Lockdown was to protect the elderly and vulnerable and the NHS, not us.

because you don't use the NHS?

@XenoBitch

I did not refuse the vaccine. It is not being forced on me, so is not something I "refuse". I have declined my invite. Do you "refuse" to go to a wedding if invited?

Are you seriously comparing the two? 🙄

@freakyfridays

Lockdown was to protect the elderly and vulnerable and the NHS, not us.

because you don't use the NHS?

Barely, but the point is the NHS is not currently overwhelmed, at least not with Covid patients, which was what lockdown was for.

GappyValley

Actual scientists don't have a uniform opinion on the subject, and no-one has any idea of the impact on unborn babies...
Good for you if you kept it simple and didn't do too much research, but you are being ridiculous to think people trying to do the best for their kids find it "easy".

The Government need to guarantee support. Both emotional AND financial for anyone who does have an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Shouldnt be a problem and wont cost much as reactions are so rare.

Are you seriously comparing the two? 🙄

No, am fed up with the use of language surrounding the vaccine. "Called up"... like it is a draft. "Refused", when it is not forced.

Christmas being a prime example

WTF was that press conference about on the 19th December then? The clogged up ports in Kent when France reacted to it. This gaslighting, rewriting of history and minimization of the sacrifices ppl have already made will ensure ZERO co operation in future. Sick of the gaslighting. Christmas WAS cancelled for many. London AND Essex were in tier 4.
Well fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me. People will NOT do another fucking lockdown or more restrictions when a few months later certain quarters are going to gaslight minimize and pretend it never happened. No Fucking Way. Ungrateful and abusive.

I think once we have reached the point where the population could be fully vaccinated we will have a lot of angry people and a backlash if our freedoms have been curtailed solely due to refusers.

@XenoBitch

Are you seriously comparing the two? 🙄

No, am fed up with the use of language surrounding the vaccine. "Called up"... like it is a draft. "Refused", when it is not forced.

Well it fucking well should be.

And the government won’t tolerate it either. If people think the government are going to keep taking the financial hit of lockdown, furlough etc due to people who don’t want the vaccine I expect we will see de facto mandatory vaccination pretty soon.

And of course there are people who can’t have the vaccine. That’s why it’s more important for the rest of us who can to have it.

If we had to lock down, it would be to protect the vaccinated as they are still more likely to be the ones who get ill

You what?

YANBU at all. Variants could well be infinite and we can't be in a permanent state of lockdown

Gosh, some of you lot are an absolute treat aren't you.

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

Well it fucking well should be

You think the vaccine should be forced? How would this be enforced?

Yabu because a) that’s not what’s going to happen b) not everyone has had their jab yet for whatever reason c) being under 40 doesn’t make you invincible d) engage your brain

@cronk23

I think you'll find that most people who have refused the vaccine are anti lockdown anyway so they'd be more than happy to go along with this.

THIS

I don't want or need protecting thanks. My natural immune system does the job well enough.

I wonder how many changed their minds about having the vaccine after the vaccine passports were brought into the equation. Boris lovers wont have it though. They love to blame it on other members of the public.

@XenoBitch

I did not refuse the vaccine. It is not being forced on me, so is not something I "refuse". I have declined my invite. Do you "refuse" to go to a wedding if invited?

No, but you do 'refuse' to help someone in need - like for example, how you might 'refuse' do your part to help an older person stay healthy, or a teacher with 3 young kids and a heart problem to stay alive, or to ensure your kids' childminder doesn't get long covid. Or for that matter, to support the full and safer reopening of the economy for those in desperate need.

@freakyfridays

GappyValley

Actual scientists don't have a uniform opinion on the subject, and no-one has any idea of the impact on unborn babies...
Good for you if you kept it simple and didn't do too much research, but you are being ridiculous to think people trying to do the best for their kids find it "easy".

No You are being utterly ridiculous and showing your total lack of education and understanding to be reacting as you are

I don’t know how people actually get through life with this level of paranoia and total absence of critical thinking

@user1494055864 if you've had COVID, then fair enough. If not, then you can't know that.