To think we shouldn’t have another lockdown to protect vaccine refusers?

[Susie477]

Everyone over 40 or in high-risk groups has now been offered a vaccine. The overwhelming majority, including me, have gratefully taken up the offer. A small minority have refused the vaccine, as is their right, of course.

Now we are seeing new ‘variants of concern’ and unvaccinated vulnerable people in some areas are now being hospitalised because they have been infected.

Some people are now calling for extended restrictions in these areas to prevent the new variant spreading. Why should responsible people who have been vaccinated be punished by yet more lockdown because idiots in their communities are too stupid or too selfish to get vaccinated?

@OverTheRubicon

No, but you do 'refuse' to help someone in need - like for example, how you might 'refuse' do your part to help an older person stay healthy, or a teacher with 3 young kids and a heart problem to stay alive, or to ensure your kids' childminder doesn't get long covid. Or for that matter, to support the full and safer reopening of the economy for those in desperate need

Did you do any of these things pre-Covid?

YANBU

@HunterHearstHelmsley

Totally agree, once second dose has been offered to everyone eligible. If you don't want the vaccine then you are choosing to take that risk. Those vaccinated have taken a risk by having something that the side effects aren't fully known about. If you've refused, then now it's time for your risk.

My concern is for the people who can't have the vaccine.

Totally agree with this.

They're are plenty of people in the over 50s bracket who have only had one vaccine.

And a lot of pregnant women, who count as clinically vulnerable from 28weeks onwards and haven't been offered the vaccine at all.

I wouldn't wish extended lockdown on anyone. But as a pregnant women who's not been offered the vaccine, and has to go into work, part of me wishes that more people had been double vaccinated before the restrictions lifted today.

Nice goading OP.

To be frank we need to move on now. It's time to get life back to normal and treat this as part of life. I certainly won't support or follow another lockdown.
Yes there are risks. A small number of individuals who are under the age of vaccination or who cannot be vaccinated may well become ill and possibly die. And that I'm afraid is a fact of life. We cannot protect ourselves from everything all the time. It will be tragic and sad when that happens yes. Just as it's awful when someone dies of meningitis, sepsis, or any of the other nasties out there. Life is not a right and there are no guarantees. Anyone of us could be gone tomorrow.

[quote XenoBitch]@OverTheRubicon

No, but you do 'refuse' to help someone in need - like for example, how you might 'refuse' do your part to help an older person stay healthy, or a teacher with 3 young kids and a heart problem to stay alive, or to ensure your kids' childminder doesn't get long covid. Or for that matter, to support the full and safer reopening of the economy for those in desperate need

Did you do any of these things pre-Covid?[/quote]
By doing my best to avoid the transmission of potentially deadly diseases and ensuring that my family were appropriately vaccinated? Yes, so did most people.

@freakyfridays

You are very naive if you think the vaccine is a miracle cure (or miracle prevention more accurately).

Why are we investing so much money and effort in it then?

YABU because plenty of us aged 40+ have only been able to have one vaccine so far. I'm waiting to be called for my second, which may not be for another nine weeks.

Also the vaccine doesn't mean everyone is safe. It reduces the chances of spreading the disease and becoming seriously ill, but no vaccine is 100% effective.

We should continue with the lockdowns as and when they're necessary. If restaurants and pubs go to the wall, who cares, supposedly 10% have closed in the last year but then that still leaves 90% left. Even if they all fucking shut, once the virus eventually clears up people will be able to start new ones, no problem.

@skirk64

YABU because plenty of us aged 40+ have only been able to have one vaccine so far. I'm waiting to be called for my second, which may not be for another nine weeks.

Also the vaccine doesn't mean everyone is safe. It reduces the chances of spreading the disease and becoming seriously ill, but no vaccine is 100% effective.

We should continue with the lockdowns as and when they're necessary. If restaurants and pubs go to the wall, who cares, supposedly 10% have closed in the last year but then that still leaves 90% left. Even if they all fucking shut, once the virus eventually clears up people will be able to start new ones, no problem.

I really hope this is sarcasm. "Who cares" about people's jobs and livelihoods going down the drain?

Don’t worry there won’t be another lock down.

Well my level 6 child only had his first jab this week so wait three months if you don’t mind.

HTH

@skirk64

YABU because plenty of us aged 40+ have only been able to have one vaccine so far. I'm waiting to be called for my second, which may not be for another nine weeks.

Also the vaccine doesn't mean everyone is safe. It reduces the chances of spreading the disease and becoming seriously ill, but no vaccine is 100% effective.

We should continue with the lockdowns as and when they're necessary. If restaurants and pubs go to the wall, who cares, supposedly 10% have closed in the last year but then that still leaves 90% left. Even if they all fucking shut, once the virus eventually clears up people will be able to start new ones, no problem.

Wuh?!

[quote XenoBitch]@JesusIsAnyNameFree

Well it fucking well should be

You think the vaccine should be forced? How would this be enforced?[/quote]
I do actually.

Well if it was up to me I would just drag people out of their houses and strap them in a chair and inject them at this point. But I've had it up to here with the anti-vaxxers today.

@skirk64

YABU because plenty of us aged 40+ have only been able to have one vaccine so far. I'm waiting to be called for my second, which may not be for another nine weeks.

Also the vaccine doesn't mean everyone is safe. It reduces the chances of spreading the disease and becoming seriously ill, but no vaccine is 100% effective.

We should continue with the lockdowns as and when they're necessary. If restaurants and pubs go to the wall, who cares, supposedly 10% have closed in the last year but then that still leaves 90% left. Even if they all fucking shut, once the virus eventually clears up people will be able to start new ones, no problem.

Ffs -seriously?

I’m 44 and I’ve not been offered the vaccine yet!

YABU - unless everyone in areas of high hesitancy who have had their vaccine, are helped with rehousing elsewhere (for those who can't afford to just move).

Vaccines are not 100% effective and don't work as well for some elderly and vulnerable. Why should vaccinated people living in low take up areas suffer?

In any case, the Indian variant is spreading in London. Which means - with so many people coming in and out of London daily - it's only a matter of time before it's all over the country. And then a risk everywhere.

Remember too that if hospitals fill up, no one else will be able to get any medical care for anything.

It does seem unfair but the answer isn't to make the vulnerable who have taken their jabs suffer any more.

[quote JesusInTheCabbageVan]@user1494055864 if you've had COVID, then fair enough. If not, then you can't know that.[/quote]
I've worked in school consistently throughout with children who's parents were on the frontline. Colleagues and children tested positive. One child even accidentally spat in my eye while talking, tested positive the next week! I 'may' indeed have had it, but not that I'm aware of!! I think I'll be fine!

*I do actually.

Well if it was up to me I would just drag people out of their houses and strap them in a chair and inject them at this point. But I've had it up to here with the anti-vaxxers today*

@JesusIsAnyNameFree

I feel sad that you think that is the way to go. Forcing people just leads to kick back.
And I admit my experience is some sort of outlier... but I wont be getting the vaccine due to severe needle/medical phobia... from being restrained and forcibly injected (under the mental health act). Yet you are happy to apply that to everyone else?

@JesusIsAnyNameFree Do you support other medical procedures being forced on people? Euthanasia, sterilisation, abortion forced or denied?

[quote Flyonawalk]@JesusIsAnyNameFree Do you support other medical procedures being forced on people? Euthanasia, sterilisation, abortion forced or denied?[/quote]
You wont get an answer.

@Flyonawalk

Oh yeah, cause they're remotely the same 🤔

@XenoBitch

I guess I think it's more important that vulnerable people don't die from other peoples selfishness. Taking parents away from children and husbands away from wives decades too soon. Aren't I horrible?🤷‍♀️

People who refuse the vaccine are utterly selfish.

It is not selfish to want to choose what you put in your own body. Not an anti vaxxer and I will get the jab when I'm offered but I'm fully supportive of the right to choose. And I'm utterly bored of hearing the word "selfish" being thrown around.

How naive are you? Or simply selfish?

Lots of people havent had it yet, some vulnerable and some of us can't. But as long as you are ok....

@Franklin12

People who refuse the vaccine are utterly selfish.

Yeah, people who lost their jobs, kids education was fucked etc etc... so selfish for not taking a needle.