To think this utter madness- child benefit

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A couple In Ireland have had quads...Irish child benefits is not means tested AND if you have twins you get 1.5 per child BUT if you have other multiples you get DOUBLE the amount so this couple are taking in 140 x 2 PER CHILD!! That's 1120 in child benefits per month!! 🤣🤣🤣

@youwouldthink

All children are entitled to free healthcare here in Ireland till 6 years old also, so gp costs are covered

I think some home help is provided by the state for quads. My friend only had triplets and got no in home support. I hope they get some help.

Why do people think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay someone the equivalent of 100000k per annum or 60K per annum in actual monies to raise their kids.

I don't think it's ok to force someone to have 4 kids either. But until recently, Ireland has been ok with this (and there's still massive disapproval for abortion).

Are you suggesting that the parents should have chosen selective reproduction to limit their family size to 1 or 2 children? Although I would consider that if I were pregnant with 4 babies, it is risky and has uncomfortable ethical implications, especially if you live in a pro-life society.

They will get loads of freebies thrown at them for marketing and coverage for products/companies. I still wouldn’t want to breast pump for four though!

@bogoffmda

AS SkodaKodiaq has pointed out if you include rent this is nearly 5000 euros pcm.

That is the equivalent of someone earning 100 000 per annum.

Why do people think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay someone the equivalent of 100000k per annum or 60K per annum in actual monies to raise their kids.

So which ones should they get rid of?

@Jellybabiesforbreakfast are you Irish? Or do you live in Ireland? You're making some very questionable comments about Ireland here

For the record, my list of figures (the ones totaling €4Kpm) was merely given in response to a PP who stated that the €1,200 in child benefits wasn't much for them to live on.
I was just saying well, no they'll potentially get €4K - I wasn't begrudging them that money, just stating (potential) facts.

[quote UnreasonablyPissedOff]@Jellybabiesforbreakfast are you Irish? Or do you live in Ireland? You're making some very questionable comments about Ireland here[/quote]
Yup. Happens a lot on here though. See a previous poster's very confident statement that a four child family is considered small in Ireland .

Almost 8 billion people on the planet. People need to stop being paid to have children. I vote to abolish all child benefit.

@UnreasonablyPissedOff. Which comment in particular do you think is questionable?

@NoLeafClover I did see that. And a very thinly veiled insinuation that Irish people are too greedy & stupid to prevent conception & are swayed by child benefit.

So many misconceptions about Irish people & Ireland being touted as 'fact'. It's so depressing

It's not like they chose to have quads so they could get that much in benefits 🙄
I have twins and they are cost us a fortune. I can imagine quads would cost a hell of alot more than the amount of money they will be getting

@Jellybabiesforbreakfast let's start with your your comment that people are forced to carry through multiple births due to living in a country which is so pro life that they could not have the selective abortion on some of their foetuses (which would be your choice) despite the fact that Ireland voted pro choice in a referendum in 2019 and you have no idea how happy or otherwise this couple is to have quads. Staring that they're forced to have the babies is questionable. Hope this helps.

[quote UnreasonablyPissedOff]@NoLeafClover I did see that. And a very thinly veiled insinuation that Irish people are too greedy & stupid to prevent conception & are swayed by child benefit.

So many misconceptions about Irish people & Ireland being touted as 'fact'. It's so depressing[/quote]
It's really upsetting, @UnreasonablyPissedOff. I don't deny at all that we've had a fairly shite history re women's rights. I don't deny that we've had to fight to repeal the 8th (I was right there in the thick of it, as I'm sure were you). But I get fucking pissed off when we're painted as some regressive society where women are forced to be brood mares, where women keep having children for money, we are okay with forcing people to have large families and are predominantly pro-life.

It's not the Ireland I live in.

@UnreasonablyPissedOff. Then perhaps you can correct me... was selective reduction available in Ireland on maternal choice prior to 2019?

@Jellybabiesforbreakfast given that these quads were born in May 2021 what happened prior to 2019 has no relevance to this discussion.
This entire thread was started as a dig at Ireland / Irish child benefits & is riddled with inaccuracies & stereotypes throughout & it's just v wearying to continuously to read when it's not reflective of the country now.

I agree entirely @NoLeafClover!

Am not having a go at the Irish or saying they should have had selective abortion.
Mabelface - has pointed out that triplets are expensive and got no help.

The concept that they both have to give up work and let the state pay for them and their DCS - is one I struggle with, but then if you were earning 30000 euros pre dcs and someone gives you 60000 for not working - who would be stupid enough to continue working
Helping out with big expenses but daily living at a rate higher than the national averange wage seem ludicrous.
. Surely it is heads down and start planning how much you can afford when you find out and realising that everything is not going to be brand new for these children.

@UnreasonablyPissedOff. Actually I think it's great that Ireland provides such generous benefits for families. And I've visited enough times to know that not everyone has 13 children.

[quote UnreasonablyPissedOff]**@Jellybabiesforbreakfast given that these quads were born in May 2021 what happened prior to 2019 has no relevance to this discussion.
This entire thread was started as a dig at Ireland / Irish child benefits & is riddled with inaccuracies & stereotypes throughout & it's just v wearying to continuously to read when it's not reflective of the country now.[/quote]
Exactly!! I'm not afraid to admit to our country's past shameful treatment of women. Far from it, I've fought hard against it since I was a teenager.

But it's not where we are now. We are making progress, we voted fairly massively to repeal the 8th. We're not the backwards eejits some people like to portray us to be. And yes, the stereotypes are bloody annoying.

@Jellybabiesforbreakfast, are we to be held accountable for our past in perpetuity? Because that's a bit unfair, isn't it?

@SkodaKodiaq child benefit here is not 4 weekly

I also agree with @NoLeafClover

here are many things you can't pass down between other close in age siblings either. Many children are in cots for two or more years, DS was in his birth to four car seat for five years. Multiple items are not exclusive to multiple births

True, but you're not paying it all up front as you are with multiples like this.

Can you imagine raising quads though! The time, energy and cost! The childcare costs! It sounds fair at least until school age.

Mabelface - has pointed out that triplets are expensive and got no help

Well then perhaps the answer is that your benefit system gives more to parents of multiples, rather than ours gives less. Or should life be a constant race to the bottom?

@Bogoffmda you state that this couple HAS to give up work & life off benefits - I'm sure no one's holding a gun to their heads ^ telling them to give up both jobs! Its not actually a law here that parents of multiples can't work.
Also I know absolutely zero about this particular couple & their personal circumstances so I don't know if they've gone on record stating that they're renting or living in social housing & that they're eligible for every benefit available or not. But if they haven't made this information public then huge assumptions are being made about how much taxpayers money they'll be receiving.
I live in Ireland & I've been a taxpayer for over 30 years now. I don't have 13 children or even a 'small family of 4' & I am very happy to live in a society that supports people when needed.

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