To think this utter madness- child benefit

[stopthebloodylights]

A couple In Ireland have had quads...Irish child benefits is not means tested AND if you have twins you get 1.5 per child BUT if you have other multiples you get DOUBLE the amount so this couple are taking in 140 x 2 PER CHILD!! That's 1120 in child benefits per month!! 🤣🤣🤣

OP - I actually get what you are saying and agree with you

So that's €1120 in child benefit
€300 per month per child (x4 = €1200 again)
€800 per month for each adult (x2 €1600)

Total = €4,000 per month for the family.

Plus at least most of rent paid if renting. If they're in social housing then all of the rent is paid.

I've no idea how much it costs to live in ROI, nor what it costs to raise quads. However like others on this thread, you couldn't pay me double that to have 4 babies at once! 👎🏻

[quote qualitygirl]@partyatthepalace last I checked Ireland was rated 13th in the world and U.K. was 30th.

The Irish system is free for those who need it just like in the U.K. we have a two tiered system...I wish ppl from the U.K. would understand that!![/quote]
That view is based on me spending two decades between the two countries. It’s also what my (tens of dozens of Irish and UK) colleagues who have lived in both countries would say (sometimes with exception of maternity which can be more personalised in Ireland). It’s also what I notice when working in the North, where lots of people living close to the border maintain NI addresses to access the NHS.

Also, the Irish system is not free at entry in the same way as the UK - in Ireland it’s mostly government funded, but you also pay a % GP, A&E visits and other costs, and kids only go free to 6 or 7. I know there are provisions for those on very low incomes, but it stacks up - my assistant got hit for about E100 for an A and E visit recently. Whereas in the UK the NHS is free (other than prescriptions) at all points of entry.

If the NHS carries on its decline that won’t last, but right now it would be a rare person with experience of both who would favour Ireland. None of this is to say I think the NHS is brilliant, healthcare in Germany (for example) is better - but on the other hand it is expensive for users.

I think they will need all the help they can get.

@partyatthepalace I know how it works in Ireland...I live here.

It would be very hard for two parents to work full time with quads, plus it's not like anyone sets out to have quads! Thank god they get a bit of support i say!

They’ve got 4 kids, I would think they will need help like babysitters, cleaners etc. 4 kids at the same time, can you imagine? I don’t think those benefits are too generous at all.

Is this the couple?

www.irishcentral.com/news/community/irish-couple-quadruplets-losing-first-born-son#:~:text=An%20Irish%20couple%20who%20were,Dublin%20in%20December%20last%20year.

If so they seem pretty nice and this is a miracle for them. I'm glad they are receiving adequate government support, they will need it. Good luck to them.

[quote qualitygirl]@partyatthepalace I know how it works in Ireland...I live here. [/quote]
I’m sure you do - but it’s not the same as how it works in the UK. I live in both countries.

@stopthebloodylights

To those of thinking I'm begrudging them I AM NOT!! I'm amazed quite frankly that the Irish child benefits is so generous!! Fair play to them!

Maybe you should have been a bit more generous in your wording when you wrote your thread title .

utter madness . Yes that really sounds as though you think it is a generous and deserved benefit.

There was a teacher in a school I used to work in whose sister had quads and the pram cost 3k from a company in NZ as there are hardly any that you can use for 4 babies from birth.

They’ll likely have had to buy a new car as you can’t get 4 kids and 2 adults in a normal one

I wouldnt have an issue with that. Quads must be terribly expensive, thinking of all the nappies, bread and milk they go through! And thats just the basics

And like someone else mentioned, imagine a pram for 4? 4 cots? 4 car seats? oh gosh really does add up

They’ll spend double that for childcare.

That’s how it should be here, proper support from the system we pay into. Don’t be jealous, it isn’t a good look.

They can't be that pro life and then not help overwhelmed families financially.

I feel for the parents still, they would need 4 of everything, I large car and as a PP said some special pram all before the babies are born, the CB wouldn't start until the birth. I would bet she had to leave work earlier too. Unless they were already living in a large house then a portion of that will probably go on a mortgage on a bigger home by the time the children were in school.

Good.

AS SkodaKodiaq has pointed out if you include rent this is nearly 5000 euros pcm.

That is the equivalent of someone earning 100 000 per annum.

Why do people think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay someone the equivalent of 100000k per annum or 60K per annum in actual monies to raise their kids.

Once they turn 6 they'll have to pay for GP visits( not sure when the under 12 is coming).
Every year of primary school there'll be a fee for books and supplies.
Probably health insurance and dentist fees too.

@Anotheruser02

They can't be that pro life and then not help overwhelmed families financially. I feel for the parents still, they would need 4 of everything, I large car and as a PP said some special pram all before the babies are born, the CB wouldn't start until the birth. I would bet she had to leave work earlier too. Unless they were already living in a large house then a portion of that will probably go on a mortgage on a bigger home by the time the children were in school.

I think the result of the referendum on the 8th amendment proves that we're pro-choice in the majority.

Imagine being that much of a knob you'd begrudge someone having quads child benefit!

You couldn't pay me enough money to have 4 babies at once!

@stopthebloodylights

Oh god I'm not begrudging!! Wouldn't it be great if the U.K. did similar!!

And yet you say its utter madness and follow with 3 laughing emojis, which show you think its a bad thing.

I'd happily give back both the babies and the money.

In fact, I would seriously consider abortion of at least two of the foetuses, tough as that decision would be, due to the risk to both mother and babies that carrying quads entails.

Ireland only permitted abortion in 2019 and it still carries huge stigma. It would be a bit much to force someone to carry four babies to term and then not give them proper financial support.

@bogoffmda

AS SkodaKodiaq has pointed out if you include rent this is nearly 5000 euros pcm.

That is the equivalent of someone earning 100 000 per annum.

Why do people think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay someone the equivalent of 100000k per annum or 60K per annum in actual monies to raise their kids.

Should they have aborted them when they found out they were having 4 babies at once? Or maybe they could sell a couple of them, they’d still have 2...

@bogoffmda

AS SkodaKodiaq has pointed out if you include rent this is nearly 5000 euros pcm.

That is the equivalent of someone earning 100 000 per annum.

Why do people think it is OK for the taxpayer to pay someone the equivalent of 100000k per annum or 60K per annum in actual monies to raise their kids.

Why? Well because I'd rather be part of a system that provides for children, than one that lets them go without.

I'm Irish, I've been paying tax in Ireland for 21 years. Not only do I think it's okay, I'm more than happy for this family to receive whatever miniscule portion of my tax might be going towards them. And I fecking hope they enjoy it.

Multiples are bloody expensive. I have triplets and there are no hand me downs, triple buggy was eye watering cost wise. No help given.