You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

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Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

‘Don't be stupid. The journalists report, not the buildings. In the age of smartphones and internet, you can hardly stop reporting by destroying a building. ‘

You attack infrastructure to try to hamper, or prevent communications. You’re saying attacking a media building will have NO effect on the reportage coming from that station, from those journals?
Bombing tv stations, cutting off WiFi, electric, comms - be done by every modern regime.

@JustFedUpOfThis
GoingOnABarHunt
Adventureswith
AskingQuestionsAllTheTime
StoneOfDestiny.

I found your posts really rational and objective and quite focused. As well as a few others.

I’m just wondering, what do you feel an average person can do to put pressure on international law makers to not support Israel in breaking international law in places like East Jerusalem or committing war crimes?

I’m very grateful for the book recommendations. And the links to activists website.

Does anyone know any websites that directly lists the names of western organisations that financially supports settlements in Palestinian territory?

Does anyone know of any cases in which financially supporting the breaking of international law could be held accountable ?

World press pretty much condemning the bombing of a building containing media offices and apartments. IDF claiming that it was a hot bed of Hamas blah blah blah. Problem is - they can say that about anything, can’t they? Refugee camp - Hamas using human shields, media - Hamas hiding in building, hoisting block -Hamas operating from basement.
They can bomb anything, and kill civilians at will and claim they have ‘intelligence’ stating whatever they bomb is a ‘military’ target. With no proof.

Everything is Hamas. The kids the IDF burned to death are probably Hamas too.

@Adventureswith

World press pretty much condemning the bombing of a building containing media offices and apartments. IDF claiming that it was a hot bed of Hamas blah blah blah. Problem is - they can say that about anything, can’t they? Refugee camp - Hamas using human shields, media - Hamas hiding in building, hoisting block -Hamas operating from basement. They can bomb anything, and kill civilians at will and claim they have ‘intelligence’ stating whatever they bomb is a ‘military’ target. With no proof.

Except they have no reason to do so other than to stop the missiles and disable hamas.

The longer this goes on the harder it will be for the Israeli government to make the argument that this is about defence and not revenge.

Is all bollocks. Israel has nothing to fear from Hamas and it homemade rockets and stone throwing kids. Look at the stats from the fighting. Look at who has the real guns, the military grade rockets and the reinforced housing. .

It could easily stop the fight by talking with Palestine and agreeing a path forward. But it wants the land and houses from 100 years ago “given back” literally throwing the Arabs on the streets and expecting them to accept it. Like anyone would.
Israel could easily compromise if it wanted to, it holds all the cards.

It’s so transparent at this point that if you don’t see it, it’s because you simply don’t want to.

AnnieLofriar
Who controls Gaza?

The government with the power to cut off their water, fuel, electricity, medicine and food at will.

Who wants to control the West Bank?

The Israeli government. Otherwise they would have stopped doing so.

Who got voted in to power?

Well, some people think it was Likud and their leader Netanyahu, but 30/120 is not exactly a majority. He hadn't managed to get a coalition together by the most recent deadline, but then by purest chance the shooting and then bombing started so he's stayed on top for the time being, while the world waits for his trial on bribery and fraud charges in three different cases, or rather, hopes that these will eventually come to court once he is finally out of power.

Israel has logically NO REASON to destroy the tower block. Israel wants to hurt Hamas, not associated press.

Israel has logically no reason to bomb anyone, except for some forty-eyes-for-an-eye stuff -- and of course Netanyahu has, because it gives him another reprieve from trial on the charges I mentioned above.

(For goodness' sake, hasn't Mossad heard of targetted assassination yet? You'd think they might have done... A lot fewer children generally get killed that way. Oh, oops, sorry, they have: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations though they seem to have handed over to other people for the most part recently. I can't find a similar list of assassinations of senior Israeli leaders by Palestinian orgnanisations, or I would include it here for balance.)

@GoingOnABarHunt

Plus obviously, but very conveniently left out, the main reason for the boycott is the documented ties to the Golani Brigade!

Nothing wrong with the Golani brigade. The army isn't the problem. My aunt bravely fought in Golant in the War of Independence. One of my brothers in law served in Golani and he has done nothing wrong.

All Israeli companies will provide food and services to the IDF. No idea why you'd single out Sabra hunmus. Please× do make sure you check before taking any medicine or using any app or buying any computer or high tech item that Israeli companies weren't involved. Virtue signalling with hummus is all well and good but it won't touch the Israeli economy.

Annie are serious? Do you really believe that?
What about conflict in East Jerusalem ? No Hamas there ,
yet people were beaten, arrested , killed and expelled from their homes.

It's all so depressing isn't it. The propaganda is also sickening.

The Israeli government wants to stop the reporting from Gaza. Even they realise the damage to their reputation that endless photos of dead Palestinian kids will cause. The logical thing to do would be to stop bombing civilians but instead they’re trying to control the narrative.
There will come a tipping point where even Netanyahu will be unable to claim that these actions are in ‘defence’ of Israel

Totally.
But of course The Israeli Government never admits to wrongdoing and do not care about International Law or Human Rights.

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

AnnieLofriar Who controls Gaza?

The government with the power to cut off their water, fuel, electricity, medicine and food at will.

Who wants to control the West Bank?

The Israeli government. Otherwise they would have stopped doing so.

Who got voted in to power?

Well, some people think it was Likud and their leader Netanyahu, but 30/120 is not exactly a majority. He hadn't managed to get a coalition together by the most recent deadline, but then by purest chance the shooting and then bombing started so he's stayed on top for the time being, while the world waits for his trial on bribery and fraud charges in three different cases, or rather, hopes that these will eventually come to court once he is finally out of power.

Israel has logically NO REASON to destroy the tower block. Israel wants to hurt Hamas, not associated press.

Israel has logically no reason to bomb anyone, except for some forty-eyes-for-an-eye stuff -- and of course Netanyahu has, because it gives him another reprieve from trial on the charges I mentioned above.

(For goodness' sake, hasn't Mossad heard of targetted assassination yet? You'd think they might have done... A lot fewer children generally get killed that way. Oh, oops, sorry, they have: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations though they seem to have handed over to other people for the most part recently. I can't find a similar list of assassinations of senior Israeli leaders by Palestinian orgnanisations, or I would include it here for balance.)

Which government controls Gaza? The Israeli one? The one which retreated from Gaza over 15 years ago and handed it over to the Palestinians? WTF? You are really desperate to blame Israel for everything.

And who is in charge in Nablus, Jenin, Ramalla and Hebron?

Israel???

Seriously?

So, to be clear. Hamas is in charge in Gaza. Hamas wants to be in charge in the West Bank - in the Palestinian controlled areas - and is mega pissed off that the elections were cancelled.

Where was all the sympathy when the Armenians were being turfed off their territory a few months back?

Israel is the only non-Muslim state remaining in MENA. At one time Jews and other non Muslims would have been numerous and widespread throughout this area, Baghdad and Tehran once had large and thriving Jewish communities. They have since been driven out, killed or forcibly converted. I think the Israelis should do whatever it takes to protect their people and their territory.

Why do people not look at the broader historical picture instead of swallowing the current version of events on Sky news or the bbc?

"Hamas" is the oldest excuse in the book for blowing stuff up.
Its completely obvious that they want to minimise pictures of blown up children as few people are going to believe they are Hamas members, although judging by this thread, some would.

@DeepThinkingGirl

Imonlyhumanafterall202

Ok glad we agree that war crimes are not ok. Regardless of whatever reason.

But the question was about the unprovoked expulsion of civilians in East Jerusalem, which the news said sparked this conflict. That’s against international law. Is that ok?

Or do we only talk about things that can be diluted by dividing blame ?

I explained the reasons behind the evictions. I dont agree with them - they should have left wel alone- but it doesn't justify hamas trying to murder innocent Israelis in response and lead to the death of their own civilians as Israel retaliated.

An eviction is not the same as murder.

Twitter thread

twitter.com/DanielEstrin/status/1393572867720294405?s=19
1/ @NPR interviewed @MarkRegev, senior advisor to @netanyahu, about why Israeli warplanes destroyed the @AP bureau's building in Gaza. Israel said it Hamas military intelligence used the building, but provided no evidence to back the claim. Partial transcript below:

On the BBC site

The strike on the building housing media offices in Gaza City came on Saturday afternoon, after the owner received a call from the Israeli military warning that the building was about to be hit

Jawad Mehdi, the owner of the Jala Tower, said an Israeli intelligence officer warned him he had just one hour to ensure the evacuation of the building, the AFP news agency reports

In a phone call with the officer, AFP heard him beg for an extra 10 minutes to allow journalists to retrieve their equipment before leaving. "Give us 10 extra minutes," he urged, but the officer on the other end of the line refused

lBaghdad and Tehran once had large and thriving Jewish communities. They have since been driven out, killed or forcibly converted
And what do you think is the reason behind that?!
Could it be the American invasion of Iraq?
Or the return of The French backed up Ayatollah to Iran?
As both Christians and Jews were living for centuries in Iraq and Iran prior to these events

*Anni... you are frankly spamming this thread with your own narrative. Nothing factual or objective. Nothing discussing the present and how to move forward.

All quite self centred and attention seeking.*

As have you - have you absolutely no self awareness

queenofarles

Her narrative of history is as biased as her narrative of the reality of what’s happening right now.

So I suggest we don’t let her distract this thread. Because she really is spamming. Under different usernames

GoingOnABarHunt

Don’t be provoked. She is wanting just that. You need to maintain political correctness for the sake of the mumsnet crew who we had to plead to in order to not delete this thread.

I’m unsure we will be able to have a thread on Palestine stay standing again. We have 3 pages left.

The news on the children dying has completely distressed me. And I find the apathy of some
Posters completely triggering.

But they will turn it around against you. So remain calm. And let’s just use our intellect to help them expose their fascism.

*Is all bollocks. Israel has nothing to fear from Hamas and it homemade rockets and stone throwing kids. Look at the stats from the fighting. Look at who has the real guns, the military grade rockets and the reinforced housing. .

It could easily stop the fight by talking with Palestine and agreeing a path forward. But it wants the land and houses from 100 years ago “given back” literally throwing the Arabs on the streets and expecting them to accept it. Like anyone would.
Israel could easily compromise if it wanted to, it holds all the cards.*

Totally dehumanising the Israelis, yes the Palestinians have it much much worse (they’ve also made choices that have partly led them to where they are now as they chose to pursue a route of attacking Israel hoping to win and destroy Israel and be the only power in “Palestine”). Of course the rockets from Gaza takes a toll on Israelis and the children there. We have no clue in the UK to hear Sirens go off warning of a rocket attack - children rushing to shelters - if they can. They might be out playing, at school, on the way to the shop - parents worrying about their children.

Have some imagination how you would feel living like this, how your children would feel.