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You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

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Faffandahalf · 11/05/2021 14:03

Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

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GoingOnABarHunt · 15/05/2021 20:14

[quote Acidburn]@Parker231 that land is ours - deal with it[/quote]
Looks like the scholarship’s going well!

www.bbc.com/news/blogs-news-from-elsewhere-23695896.amp

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/05/2021 20:15

I have plenty of criticism for the Israeli government especially on the expansion of settlements in the West Bank (ideally, i’d like to see them withdraw) and sympathy for the plight of the Palestinians.

Do you not see it as the responsibly of the Israeli citizens to condemn the actions of their democratically elected government on this issue then? The issue of settlements ? And putting enough pressure and holding it accountable for the consequence of such behaviour then ? And acknowledging that it’s breaking international law without all the enabling excuses that you have been sharing on this thread?

I don’t understand how you can have sympathy for the plight of Palestinians but excuse the behaviour of their abuser in the same breath? Something about this doesn’t sit right. Please elaborate.

goingforaschmy · 15/05/2021 20:30

I know someone who was a talented, intelligent young man blown to pieces. His crime - getting on a bus to visit his family. Who killed him? A Palestinian terrorist. That is fucking EVIL. Knowing exactly what they were doing. There were also pregnant women and very young infants on the bus. You have no moral high ground hamas/terrrorist sympathisers. Look what people with a brain think of barmy Corbyn and his ridiculously skewed way of seeing the world. You can pick and pick and pick over what people have said on the thread, thinking you sound intelligent - you don't. You just sound nasty and bitter. Israel should not be throwing people out their homes. But they have a right to exist, they are thriving and successful no matter what shit gets thrown their way. This makes the people whose life's mission is to destroy and eradicate them seethe even more. You will never convince me. I will stand with Israel always. You should be lobbying for Hamas to take care of its citizens but that would require them valuing human life.

Thewinterofdiscontent · 15/05/2021 20:31

[quote Acidburn]@Parker231 that land is ours - deal with it[/quote]
So what’s your plan for all the people you plan to kick off your land?
Genuine question.

I get the feeling your sense of inhumane treatment only work in one direction.

Thewinterofdiscontent · 15/05/2021 20:37

We are not in medieval times, we don’t go round avenging each other..

The murder of anyone is unforgivable. You bring those responsible to trial not bomb the shit out of the place. Literally the only way to resolve anything is to agree a solution.

How is killing 115 civilians a good response to the deaths of 8 other civilians? It’s never worked. The circle of violence goes round. Israelis should be voting for peace not agreeing with another round of murdering.

KaptainKaveman · 15/05/2021 20:40

Lots of far right extremist trolls on here. Best to ignore.

piddocktrumperiness · 15/05/2021 20:40

@goingforaschmy

Read that back and substitute for PALESTINIAN. The Palestinians are a resilient bunch you cannot deny that.

NOT ALL PALESTINIANS SYMPATHISE WITH THE FUCKING PARAMILITARY HAMAS FFS

Who said Israeli's don't have the right to exist? of course they do!!!!! I want them to thrive too! I want ALL OF US to thrive, AS EQUALS.

Why are you churning out default throwaway phrases typically seen in media?
My two biggest bugbears "Israelis have the right to exist"- No shit, yes that is not the argument here. Oh and "Israel has the right to defend itself" again, no shit Sherlock, but that means the side does too.

Palestinians have lost pregnant women too, lost intelligent young men and women too- WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR POINT?

You sound so ignorant when saying things like this. Hamas is not a government, so how can it have citizens? Hamas is a paramilitary- not a government- Gaza is not a country. Get your facts straight.

Your lived experience is valid- pain and death has been a reality for both sides and needs to end, but do not tarnish all Palestinians as Corbyn loving Marxist Labour, Hamas sympathiser terrorists.

Parker231 · 15/05/2021 20:44

@goingforaschmy - what about the eight Palestinian children of one extended family who were killed by Israel today? All innocent deaths are wrong regardless of their nationality.

goingforaschmy · 15/05/2021 20:46

No thanks i won't substitute it. My point is entirely valid without doing that thank you.

goingforaschmy · 15/05/2021 20:46

Wait a minute - thought you didn't like 'whataboutery'?

piddocktrumperiness · 15/05/2021 20:48

@goingforaschmy

Also wanted to ask who you think people with brains are? The right wing media?
Why not look at Academics, Jewish/ Israeli, they themselves are agreeing that the atrocities towards to the Palestinians, the psychological damage caused on a daily basis since the Nakba, (which is today by the way)

Do academics have brains? do rabbis have brains? Because you are completely invalidating them and calling them stupid.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/05/2021 20:48

goingforaschmy

You missed the point

This thread is ABOUT the rights of palestinians

SofiaMichelle · 15/05/2021 20:50

@StoneofDestiny

Sofia have you been in the sauce - you are increasingly making no sense at all. I think it's clear who I called Fascist. You even copied and pasted my emboldened words. 😂😂
It's clear that you called people on this thread who disagree with you fascists and then denied it. It's there is black and white.

Great that you think it's so funny.

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/05/2021 21:01

Some of the Haredi Jews of Stamford hill, walked for 3.5 hours today towards the Israeli embassy, to honour the Shabbath while supporting human rights and condemning abuses done in the name of their religion.

I recognise their love for their faith, and honour that. It’s an intense love for their faith that they refuse to let someone misuse it and hijack it to use it as a tool to oppress someone else..

My hats off to them. Their bravery is beyond belief.

I’ve learnt so much about the Jewish faith because of them. I found out that we have so much in common. And grew to really appreciate that.

It really does truly feel like they’re cousins in faith, history snd lifestyle.

Much respect.

Ikeasucks · 15/05/2021 21:35

The haredi? Not for everyone or always particularly forgiving. www.google.de/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-for-these-women-the-path-out-of-haredi-life-is-long-and-hard-1.9145405

You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum
Acidburn · 15/05/2021 21:44

@piddocktrumperiness if Hamas put down their weapons - there would be no more fighting. If Israelies put down their weapons - there would be no more Israel.

StoneofDestiny · 15/05/2021 21:45

Great that you think it's so funny
Oh Sofia
I think it funny that you cannot comprehend what is written. Funnier still that you are still seeking to divert the discussion, and pretty hysterical that you think you could provoke me.

I don't find it funny that you cannot comprehend how Fascist the Israeli Government are. It's ignorance and brainwashing pure and simple.

StoneofDestiny · 15/05/2021 21:47

@piddocktrumperiness if Hamas put down their weapons - there would be no more fighting. If Israelies put down their weapons - there would be no more Israel

You've clearly forgotten Israel is a nuclear power and that sadly the USA continue to support and arm you.

StoneofDestiny · 15/05/2021 21:48

......and you clearly forget Palestinians are not all supportive of Hamas - though Israel is the best recruiting sergeant Hamas have ever had.

MaxNormal · 15/05/2021 22:13

if Hamas put down their weapons - there would be no more fighting. If Israelies put down their weapons - there would be no more Israel

Meaningless untrue soundbite.
After the "no more fighting", then what? More evictions from homes, more land stolen, more farmers harassed, more olive trees burned?

Thewinterofdiscontent · 15/05/2021 22:14

[quote Acidburn]@piddocktrumperiness if Hamas put down their weapons - there would be no more fighting. If Israelies put down their weapons - there would be no more Israel.[/quote]
Try it.
You’ll have to one day.
(Or are we waiting for the day when all the non Jewish peoples are no more?)

samG76 · 15/05/2021 22:18

Deepthinking girl - you realise, don't you, that these Haredim forbid their wives from driving, and expel from their schools anyone whose parents they consider too modern. I'm not sure if human rights are very far up their agenda....

DeepThinkingGirl · 15/05/2021 23:03

Considering how active this thread has been, im
Very surprised that it’s not on the “active threads” list at all.

StoneofDestiny · 15/05/2021 23:03

girl - you realise, don't you, that these Haredim forbid their wives from driving, and expel from their schools anyone whose parents they consider too modern. I'm not sure if human rights are very far up their agenda

It's all relative.
The Israeli government are blowing up Palestinian schools, thereby expelling all pupils, and they control all who can drive in and out of Gaza (male and female)
The Haredi choose what's happening in their community, the Palestinians are not choosing what is happening - it's forced upon them.