You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

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Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

It seems so. But these kind of threads do tend to attract people wiht that mindset.

Israeli press is reporting that Hamas was using the media tower as a cover. I believe them. Israel had no other reason to take down the tower (and gave warning to civilians to evacuate which, of course, meant Hamas terrorists could flee as well)

I can’t believe they bombed the Media Building , I’ve been watching AJ english and their coverage is so wide, they are literally the only media covering within Gaza , they have reporters in every town, but yes let’s just say Hamas is using it instead, instead of stating their true intention , silencing the media.

Using the convenient lie of “Hamas were in the building”

How can you state that for sure. I understand feelings are running high especially if you have family/connections in the area but there is so much outright bias from some posters who perhaps are very emotionally and personally involved but it is bias. And again Hamas fired those rockets knowing exactly what would happen - they knew their people would suffer

Exactly. They will be doing their best to avoid civilians but when the terrorists' rockets are being launched from civilian areas it is going to be difficult for the Israelis to avoid them

Israel has one of the most advanced rocket interceptors in the world, with a success rate of over 90%. That is self defence. Bombing innocent civilians is not - that’s terrorism. Stop equating state violence with the retaliation of the powerless. This is not a two-sided war. The rockets coming out of Gaza are basically symbolic more than anything at this point.

There was an Israeli citizen complaining on Twitter last night that an air raid siren had gone off half way through her shower and she was inconveniently covered in shampoo. She was really annoyed. She wanted everyone online to know of her hardship. This was happening AT THE SAME TIME Israel was showering innocent civilians in Gaza with white phosphorus.

Yeah yeah - you’ve thrown the anti Semitic card at me alread. The racist is one is new. I am not either.

And the hypocrisy is huge - in many posts Hamas and Palestinians have been conflated Indeed Annie has just stated the Palestinians do EXACTLY the same, by the way. In fact, they celebrate and hand out sweets when Israelis die - so apparently all
Palestinians do this. Not just some - all of them. Right, OK.

And I think it is fair to say that many Israelis (not all) do not value Palestinian lives as they many keep voting for warmonger Netanyahu. Netanyahu clearly has no regard whatsoever for the Palestinians.

But yes - start flinging the accusations as that’s all you’ve really got. All style
No substance.

@StoneofDestiny

To be fair to the Israeli military, when you have two million plus people in an area the size of the Isle of Wight, it's quite hard to bomb it without hitting some civilians

Israel has ghettoed these people in there are bombed them .They know full well what they are doing and what the consequences would be. It’s a slaughter - a crime against Humanity. Shame on you Israeli Government

And let's also be fair to Hamas; when an area is that crowded it is quite difficult to find somewhere to launch rockets from which has no civilians anywhere near it.

@Ikeasucks

Using the convenient lie of “Hamas were in the building”

How can you state that for sure. I understand feelings are running high especially if you have family/connections in the area but there is so much outright bias from some posters who perhaps are very emotionally and personally involved but it is bias. And again Hamas fired those rockets knowing exactly what would happen - they knew their people would suffer

You could say the same bias applies to Israeli press is reporting that Hamas was using the media tower as a cover. I believe them. Israel had no other reason to take down the tower (and gave warning to civilians to evacuate which, of course, meant Hamas terrorists could flee as well)

@GoingOnABarHunt

Exactly. They will be doing their best to avoid civilians but when the terrorists' rockets are being launched from civilian areas it is going to be difficult for the Israelis to avoid them

Israel has one of the most advanced rocket interceptors in the world, with a success rate of over 90%. That is self defence. Bombing innocent civilians is not - that’s terrorism. Stop equating state violence with the retaliation of the powerless. This is not a two-sided war. The rockets coming out of Gaza are basically symbolic more than anything at this point.

There was an Israeli citizen complaining on Twitter last night that an air raid siren had gone off half way through her shower and she was inconveniently covered in shampoo. She was really annoyed. She wanted everyone online to know of her hardship. This was happening AT THE SAME TIME Israel was showering innocent civilians in Gaza with white phosphorus.

Israel is not showering innocent civilians in Gaza with white phosphorus. Lie.

And how dare you minimize the suffering of innocent civilians under bombardment from Hamas!? They have a fucking minute and a half warning to get to shelter. It's terrifying to shower because you don't know when the siren will go off. But, sure, you mock her for the terror having to run for shelter in the middle of a shower from the comfort of behind your keyboard. How brave you are!!! How dare she complain about her own terror because Gazans have it worse! Disgusting - and all in the name of virtue signaling.

You could but Israel has logically NO REASON to destroy the tower block. Israel wants to hurt Hamas, not associated press.

@JustFedUpOfThis

Yeah yeah - you’ve thrown the anti Semitic card at me alread. The racist is one is new. I am not either.

And the hypocrisy is huge - in many posts Hamas and Palestinians have been conflated Indeed Annie has just stated the Palestinians do EXACTLY the same, by the way. In fact, they celebrate and hand out sweets when Israelis die - so apparently all
Palestinians do this. Not just some - all of them. Right, OK.

And I think it is fair to say that many Israelis (not all) do not value Palestinian lives as they many keep voting for warmonger Netanyahu. Netanyahu clearly has no regard whatsoever for the Palestinians.

But yes - start flinging the accusations as that’s all you’ve really got. All style
No substance.

Yes, it is also fair to say that many (not all but most) Palestinians do not value Israeli lives as they keep votiing (well, they would if they actually held elections) for the warmonger Hamas. Hamas clearly has no regard whatsoever for the Israelis.

Works both ways, doesn't it?

How can you state that for sure. I understand feelings are running high especially if you have family/connections in the area but there is so much outright bias from some posters who perhaps are very emotionally and personally involved but it is bias
Zero family, not even from that part of the world,
But perhaps unlike you , I try to look at it objectively, people are being killed by a brutal government that has nothing to do with Judaism.
It’s that simple.

And I didn't say ALL Palestinians celebrate. But there are many celebrations whenever there is a suicide bombing. Clearly, people in Palestine (and Lebanon and probably other places) feel very comfortable to openly celebrate, cheer and hand out sweets to celebrate the deaths of Israeli civilians.

Hamas = terrorist organisation rightly condemned (and has been several times on this thread already)

Israeli Government = democratically elected head of internationally recognised state.

As abhorrent as Hamas and their actions are - I think you should consider whether you look good when arguing over who’s worse - terrorists or a democratically elected government.

‘ You could but Israel has logically NO REASON to destroy the tower block. Israel wants to hurt Hamas, not associated press.’

The Israeli government wants to stop the reporting from Gaza. Even they realise the damage to their reputation that endless photos of dead Palestinian kids will cause. The logical thing to do would be to stop bombing civilians but instead they’re trying to control the narrative.
There will come a tipping point where even Netanyahu will be unable to claim that these actions are in ‘defence’ of Israel.

@AnnieLofriar

Come on, this is getting dull you literally said

“the Palestinians do EXACTLY the same”

That is a cut and paste. THE PALESTINIANS.

If I’d written “The Jewish do exactly the same” - you’d (rightly) be accusing me of anti-semitism.

You did not qualify your answer - and in a way that stinks of racism - lumped all Palestinians together.

@GoingOnABarHunt

For anyone interested...

There’s a Palestinian short on Netflix called “The Present”, it was nominated for best short at the Oscars this year. It’s 24 mins long and follows a family through the West Bank trying to make it through the day, v authentic and brilliantly made but heartbreaking.

Also, a pp mentioned yesterday about boycotting companies like a lot of us did with South Africa. Whilst I was shopping in Sainsbury’s earlier I noticed they had a huge range of ‘Sabra’ hummus and dips (the ones with the green lids, seem to be quite popular atm). If you want to boycott companies this would be the one to start with - the company is joint owned by Strauss, an Israeli company that has documented ties to human rights violations against Palestinians. The Strauss Group sends care packages to the particularly brutal Golani Brigade of the IDF. Just to rub salt into the wound further - Sabra is the name of a massacre site (in Lebanon) where thousands of Palestinian and Lebanese Muslims were killed in 1982.

Good luck with your boycott.

You do know that the name Sabra has absolutely fuck all to do wiht the name of the refugee camp in Lebanon? I know that you probably don't much about the region or the culture or the language so I will help you.

The Hebrew word 'Sabra' is spelt with the letter 'tzadik'. It is actually a Tz sound so could be pronounced Tzabra. It means a cactus fruit and is colloquially used to mean Israelis born in Israel.

The spelling of the Sabra camp (derived from Arabic) is spelt with a "samech" which is an "S' sound.

So this is idea that the name of Sabra hummus is somehow connected to the Sabra refugee camp is totally wrong and, even the fact that you would make this kind of connection and think that a company would somehow celebrate a massacre, quite illustrative of your way of thinking.

Criticising the Israeli government or their actions or even the support of Israeli people of those actions is NOT anti Semitic. Anymore that criticising Hamas is anti- Muslim.
It’s bloody annoying to have Israel smokescreen with that to cover up their Miliatrynaction.

Rubbish. It was exactly the same tone as the previous poster who said Israelis don't value Palestinian lives. I know many Palestinians personally, I have worked and lived with them so I would never think that so stop trying to extrapolate from what I wrote. I then clarified in the very next post.

BTW, there is no such thing as 'The Jewish' ? What is that supposed to mean. The Jewish what?

@Adventureswith

‘ You could but Israel has logically NO REASON to destroy the tower block. Israel wants to hurt Hamas, not associated press.’

The Israeli government wants to stop the reporting from Gaza. Even they realise the damage to their reputation that endless photos of dead Palestinian kids will cause. The logical thing to do would be to stop bombing civilians but instead they’re trying to control the narrative.
There will come a tipping point where even Netanyahu will be unable to claim that these actions are in ‘defence’ of Israel.

Don't be stupid. The journalists report, not the buildings. In the age of smartphones and internet, you can hardly stop reporting by destroying a building. They do not want to stop reporting from Gaza, they want to stop rockets being fired on to Tel Aviv.

@JustFedUpOfThis

Hamas = terrorist organisation rightly condemned (and has been several times on this thread already)

Israeli Government = democratically elected head of internationally recognised state.

As abhorrent as Hamas and their actions are - I think you should consider whether you look good when arguing over who’s worse - terrorists or a democratically elected government.

Who controls Gaza? Who wants to control the West Bank? Who got voted in to power? Yes, Hamas. They were actually democractically elected. And they would be again if elections were held. The Palestinians (no, not all but most) support Hamas.

The Palestinians (no, not all but most) support Hamas.

Have you got any links, statistics to back this claim?

Anni... you are frankly spamming this thread with your own narrative. Nothing factual or objective. Nothing discussing the present and how to move forward.

All quite self centred and attention seeking.

It is quite inhumane when you consider that this thread is about protecting the human rights of children that are currently dying, losing their homes abs have no protection.

Therefore, we have 5 pages left on this thread and I would really hope you start engaging with the actual topic.

Distracting is another way of actually dismissing and trivialising the sanctity of human life

Adventureswith agree, people will quickly jump and say Anti-Semitic , it’s not, we are criticising a government that clearly has no regard for Innocent lives.

@AnnieLofriar the images of casualties being shown in the media says otherwise, hence Israel destroying the media tower and cutting off electricity/internet.

She wasn’t terrified, she was annoyed. Her family were laughing at her stood in her towel. Once again - Israel has rocket interceptors with a success rate of 90%, there is no bombardment. The fact you can even say this when there are videos circulating everywhere of the actual bombardment happening in Gaza is... worrying. Of course Israeli civilians must be nervous, I don’t disagree with that, but how can you even compare their fear to that of the Palestinians? They live in sheer terror as they have rocks and fireworks for self defence, not a world class system worth billions.

And you’re wrong about me not knowing much about the language or region, but please do carry on spouting shite. Every Israeli knows of the massacre site, what an odd name to give to an Israeli product (that begins with an S), let alone one of Palestinian cuisine... it’s the first thing that crosses the mind of any Arabic speaker from the region, but it’s not in any way surprising.

Plus obviously, but very conveniently left out, the main reason for the boycott is the documented ties to the Golani Brigade!