You just cannot talk about Palestine on this forum

[Faffandahalf]

Why has the last thread been taken down with a ‘goady op’ message?
What’s so goady about asking why we can’t criticise the actions of Israel?
Don’t even give a shit this is a TAAT and will get zapped.

Palestine exists. Ethnic cleansing is happening. And every single thread gets taken down.

Only one person on that thread shouted anti semitism. Every one else was mostly in agreement about what is happening and it still gets zapped.

I’ll once again direct people to friends of al Aqsa on Instagram and Twitter in the hopes people see this and would like some real information.

Israel is an occupying oppressor committing genocide and the Palestinians are an oppressed people. There is no comparison in the force power and might of these two groups esp when one has the backing and funding of the US.

Seriously pissed at MN for refusing to allow truths to be told about the situation

[LolaSmiles]

I missed the deletion message on that thread. It went poof from the threads I'm on.
This thread is unlikely to last long either.

[HannaHat]

So saying muslims want to take over the world isn’t islamophobic?

Obviously that is, and I genuinely can’t recall reading that. I didn’t read any comments saying Jewish people were hated though, just comments hating what Israel are doing.
So interesting.

[Claire4567]

Totally agree @Faffandahalf

Israel was created, aided by the international community of which Britain was a large actor. It was created by shoving aside the Palestinian people. The Palestinians are inconvenient to the Israelis and the tactics used to solve this problem are bloody and violent.

[Greenmarmalade]

I agree OP
I was so upset and annoyed when the last thread was taken down because people were ‘distressed.’

[DioneTheDiabolist]

@LolaSmiles, here's the deletion message
thread deleted

Message from MNHQ: Goady OP

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

@FromHereToModernity Yes!

There are so many with vested interests it is impossible to see how to resolve this. At risk of pissing others off, it is a similar situation in Ireland, Russia and Ukraine,and now maybe the UK and the EU and many, many other 'neighbourly disputes'. There is no resolution that will satisfy a significant majority. ALL sides have to accept loss and to move on without demanding any reparations.

And that is not human nature. It is impossible for most individuas to do that, for political parties to give up their very foundations, for religions to accept without significant reformation.

We're talking about people's national and faith based identities.

AKA the worst of human nature!

[Snowstorming]

I am utterly shocked that people are saying this is not a genocide and that the Palestinians being ripped out of their homes are not ‘totally innocent either’. I’m just speechless.

[RogueV]

I reported a posters post on it and the false information but other than that I thought the thread was fine!

Shouldn’t have got deleted MN the world needs educating on this.

[SofiaMichelle]

So saying muslims want to take over the world isn’t islamophobic?

Obviously that is, and I genuinely can’t recall reading that.

You didn't see it, because no one said it @HannaHat

Conveniently for Goady OP, and others, the thread is no longer there as proof, though.

[Greenmarmalade]

• The Palestinian Arab residents of Sheikh Jerrah, in occupied East Jerusalem, are to be forcibly removed from their homes that they've legally lived in for nearly 70 years, so that they can be given to Israeli 'settlers'.
  
  The UN has repeatedly condemned this occupation, but it goes on.*
  
  I do wonder how British people would react if this had been happening to them for over 70 years.
  
  From what I read on mn, people are appalled by a bit of overhanging parasol or a car parked near to their extensive driveway.

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

@Faffandahalf

Sorry but I refuse to not describe things as they are because people don’t like it.
Ethnic cleansing
Occupation
Slow suffocation genocide

Maybe you need to look at people like Mo Mowlem. See how she managed to show her distaste without pissing off those she was remonstrating with.

At some point being righteous has to give way to being ready for peace.

And Israel and Palestine have been close - ish!

[Papadontpreachimintroubledeep]

Really seriously disappointed in Mumsnet.

I thought this was a place where anything could be discussed.
Israel are acting disgustingly.
It's barbaric what they're doing.
I'm Jewish!
Go ahead delete me.

[Greenmarmalade]

interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/palestineremix/phone/maps_main.html

This is interesting

[DioneTheDiabolist]

There is no resolution that will satisfy a significant majority. ALL sides have to accept loss and to move on without demanding any reparations.

Nonsense. In order for "All sides" to "move on", a resolution that will satisfy a significant majority will have to be found. Without resolution, conflict continues.

[reallyjustreally]

There have been two threads today that I know about. Mine was the first one where I asked for reading material so I could understand more about the situation. Unfortunately that got zapped before I got a chance to make a note of all the suggestions.

The second one I only briefly glanced at as I had to go into a meeting, but it was more about what was actually happening now. I’m assuming that’s the one that has the Goady OP message.

[LolaSmiles]

From what I read on mn, people are appalled by a bit of overhanging parasol or a car parked near to their extensive driveway
You're not wrong. People suggest calling in 30 minutes of free legal advice over a fence post that's been replaced 3cm over the boundary or calling he police to log isolated incidents of minor inconvenience, but talking about a government launching a targeted campaign against a specific ethnic group gets deleted for being mean.

[Faffandahalf]

Yes but peace seems to mean the Palestinians giving in to their own ethnic cleansing.
How can there be peace when Israel are never ever ever held accountable for their actions?
What purpose does peace serve Israel? None.
It doesn’t need peace. It has the power to annihilate Palestinians which it slowly doing while the world watches.
For there to be peace there needs to be sanctions placed on Israel to force them to come to the table.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Oops, I got my deleted threads mixed up. I think I posted this link on your thread just as it went poof @reallyjustreally.

www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization

[CuriousaboutSamphire]

@DioneTheDiabolist

There is no resolution that will satisfy a significant majority. ALL sides have to accept loss and to move on without demanding any reparations.

Nonsense. In order for "All sides" to "move on", a resolution that will satisfy a significant majority will have to be found. Without resolution, conflict continues.

I think you misunderstood me. That was my point!

The problem is finding an acceptable resolution and that will mean many/most individuals involved accepting what they will see as capitualtion, loss.

[DeepThinkingGirl]

Thank you OP.

I’m taking screen shots of the thread before it gets zapped.

[BringMeTea]

Agree with the OP. Would love some clarification on what, exactly, was wrong with that thread.

[reallyjustreally]

[quote DioneTheDiabolist]Oops, I got my deleted threads mixed up. I think I posted this link on your thread just as it went poof @reallyjustreally.

www.breakingthesilence.org.il/about/organization[/quote]
Thank you. It’s frustrating as there was a lot of interesting information on there, and suggestions from both sides of reading and then poof and it was gone. I wish I’d scribbled them all down at the time now.

[IconUcon]

I hope that threads don't get taken down, I don't understand why it's not okay to criticise the actions of the Israeli authorities when even the UN criticise them.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

I'm not sure that most individuals will see it as capitulation or loss. Both Israeli and Palestinian society are more diverse than people think and most would like to see an end to the fear and violence, not to mention the cost.

It is however in the interest of some groups to portray it as capitulation, loss. One of those groups is the current Israeli goverment.

[JustFedUpOfThis]

@CuriousaboutSamphire

You have to start way before the 1948 war to see the when the persecution and ultimate ethnic cleansing of Palestine starts. You also have to recognise the British and their absolutely instrumental role in the formation of Israel post WW1 , along with the USA post WW2.

As you probably know, the Arabs in Hejaz, Palestine, Syria have tremendous help to the British empires (despite being part of enemy Ottoman Empire) during WW1. To win their support, the British promised autonomy for the Arabs when the war was over. (McMahon letters). But unfortunately the British were also working with the Zionists in British to create Jewish homeland. The British and zionists were aligned for many reasons including Britain being desperate to protect its empire which the economy relied on heavily , particularly during the war. Critically Palestine is located next to Suez Canal which so a friendly state there meant passage of ships to and from India as well as oil from Persia would be far more secure.

So whilst they promised the Arabs autonomy, they also promised to create a Jewish Homeland. And the. To complicated matters the french and British divvied up the Middle East under the Sykes-Picot agreement.

The result was a British mandate which lasted until 1948. During this time the rights and lands of the incumbent population, the Arabs, were eroded hugely due to the British settling up a system that was vastly preferential to the Jews. Obviously the rise of Nazism (as well as the anti-semitism in Europe and USA) drove up the numbers of Jews going to Palestine.

This graph shows how the numbers increased numbers.

Obviously then the 1948 war resulted in displacement of 600,000-800,000 Palestinians and from then on, Palestinian rights have got weaker, and Israel has become a Jewish state which no longer recognises Arabic as a formal language.

One MN post cannot possibly cover even the minutest fraction of what has gone on for last 100 years, but there is no doubt the Palestinians have been cleared from their land. Hence my use of ethnic cleansing, as unappealing and melodramatic as that may sound.

It’s an utter clusterfuck with no obvious solution but we need to acknowledge the horrific failures of the British, working with the Zionists, towards the Palestinian people. And their actions have had consequences ever since. The government of Israel continues that failure and oppression.