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Is modern life 'worth it'?

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MrsTroutfire · 09/05/2021 20:18

Obviously, not an entirely 'serious' question as I doubt many people would want to live in the conditions our predecessors did 200 years ago with limited healthcare etc, and it's not likely that society will change anytime soon anyhow.

However, I drive a lot for my job and have a lot of time to endlessly ruminate over the universe. One thing that I always return to is the fact that as a society we work the majority of hours in a day, the majority of days in a week, the majority of weeks in a year, and the majority of years in our lives.

Then, in our mid/late 60s, with our youth decades behind us, we then finally get the freedom to spend our days as we wish, finances and health allowing. If you're male, the likelihood is that you'll probably have worked for over 40 years without a single month away from your work environment, as most people only get a few weeks leave each year and paternity leave still isn't really very common.

I'm pretty sure this was never planned and just evolved that way, but when you look around your place of work and think "this is the majority of my life" it's not a great thought!

Of course life was much tougher in previous centuries, but people were mainly trying to survive. Nowadays it seems like the main purpose of work is churning profit. Even with financial difficulties abound I don't know many people who literally have to worry about survival.

So I sometimes wonder what we actually spend our entire lives working for. No doubt, the machine would stop turning if a huge proportion of the population ceased to make and spend money, but in some ways it seems the system runs us nowadays rather than the reverse, in the sense that money was originally created as an alternative to barter, but is now the principle determinant of quality of life (health issues aside). For example, food may be plentiful, even going to waste, but that's no longer the issue as you'll still starve without the money to buy it (whilst I still appreciate that there has to be some alternative to bartering/swapping of physical goods and a currency is necessary).

It seems like we create new unnecessary technologies, and in turn a market which needs workers to populate it, and this keeps future generations in employment, but at the cost of moving ever further away from subsistence.

Of course people don't want to give up their OLED TV's, iPhones, game consoles, foreign holidays etc, and I don't either tbh. But then a part of me reflects that most people just seem happy to 'play the game' and are so involved in the various aspects of their lives that they don't consider that the biggest sacrifice most of us make is spending the vast majority of our life doing something that we don't really want to and which isn't ultimately necessary for survival in the truest sense.

I'm defo waffling now, but I'd love to be able to contrast our society against a parallel one where our focus has been on prioritising the bare essentials such as food and healthcare etc and people spend a much bigger percentage of their lives actually living them rather than sitting at a desk. Of course they wouldn't have all the gadgets and toys we have but they wouldn't know any different - hell, perhaps in a hundred years time when teleportation has become a thing, people will wonder how we stayed sane only leaving our country 1-2 times a year rather than daily!

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Hawkins001 · 19/05/2021 21:52

Part of it, if guess seems that it's partly to keep people busy, another part is, modern society needs various people to keep the fabric of society together as we know it, yes however the other side is basically that it could be debated that most of us are just cogs that keep the machine going, as much as I love what I do, sometimes I wish I had more time and resources to travel the world, as you only get one life, and as I'm not immortal, it's trying to make the most of it, plus sooner or later my body will be in a research laboratory and before that happens, I want to be at least to say what an intriguing and interesting rollercoaster of life.

TheLastLotus · 19/05/2021 21:57

@AmberIsACertainty look up confirmation bias - perhaps you only remember the examples that fit your worldview?
Choice is an interesting one.
Choice and stability are at inherent odds with each other. In any system the higher the number of variables the greater the volatility of results.
The world is now global. It is politically incorrect to say that open borders and free flows have caused as many problems as benefits they have brought. ‘Free trade’ was something that benefitted Western countries that had already matured industries. Now the tide seems to be turning as with the rise of WFH many jobs can be outsourced. What does it mean to compete on a truly global stage?

As with all things there has to be a balance - we are probably on a similar page. The overarching question is who has the power to decide on the correct balance? And who are the winners and the losers?

AmberIsACertainty · 19/05/2021 22:12

I can't be bothered. I don't know what a worldview is. I don't feel like knowing will enhance my life. A hot bath filled with bubbles is another matter. IMO the person who gets to decide what is a good balance for any individual life is the person living it.

AmberIsACertainty · 19/05/2021 22:15

Hawkins you could work your way around the world. Depends how bad you want it.

Hawkins001 · 19/05/2021 23:01

@AmberIsACertainty

Hawkins you could work your way around the world. Depends how bad you want it.
Fair point, 001 in training
TheLastLotus · 19/05/2021 23:18

@AmberIsACertainty that’s true on an individual level - but doesn’t help when it comes to policy making.
For example people complaining that salaries are too low while other people can live happily off that amount. Some people might want lots of luxuries but if the whole country’s low stress low pay then they won’t have that option would they? In fact this is precisely what I’ve seen happen in tribal societies which had the idealised lifestyle many on here yearn for.

To decide what is good for yourself is an individual is dead easy. I can use my skills to make as much as I like , use it to buy my freedom. But to consider the need of all is a challenge which few can rise to as you’ve proven. I have a new respect for activists now although I may not share their views. At least they’re trying to do something for others.

AmberIsACertainty · 19/05/2021 23:42

I haven't said everyone should be "low stress, low pay". I said the opposite on an earlier post. "Low stress, low pay" would be stressful for some people! I'm also not trying to run the country or formulate policies. Can you please stop @ me now I'm trying to leave this thread alone, thanks.

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