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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask honestly if you feel sorry for these women?

370 replies

LemonSherbetFancies · 09/05/2021 12:50

Who are approaching 40 and single with no kids?
I know a few in this situation and they always say they feel judged and inferior to women of that age who do.
Personally, I do not feel sorry for them if they do not have kids as they are not for everyone. But I do feel for women who don't have a supportive and loving relationship. Now, I am not saying women need a man to be happy but I know from myself how much nicer my life is with DP in it.

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MumuMelon · 09/05/2021 14:13

@emilyfrost

Yes, I feel very sorry for them. To not have a husband, someone to share your life with, or the joy children bring.

I think to not have a family by then would be devastating and I would think they only think they’re happy because they don’t know what they’re missing. It’s very sad.

I feel sorry for those women who need a partner or have to make another human in order to feel or experience happiness Biscuit 🙄
WorraLiberty · 09/05/2021 14:13

I do wish the OP would come back and tell us what it is she feels for women who don't have a supportive and loving relationship, if it's not sorrow? Confused

littlepattilou · 09/05/2021 14:14

Awww, poor iccle wonely wimmin wiv no menz and baybeeez. Sad

Seriously @LemonSherbetFancies are you having a laugh? It's not the 19th century, women don't NEED A MAN. (Or to have kids.) The world has plenty of humans, a few million women not having children isn't going to result in the extinction of the human race!

Feeling sorry for these woman, and saying 'they don't know what they missing, it's soooo sad' is not a nice, altruistic attitude. It's patronising, condescending, and offensive.

Changemaname1 · 09/05/2021 14:15

Listen to yourself 😂

Happily a single parent here , lovely dc To spend time with Who also have a good relationship with their dad and regular contact so lots of child free time for me To do as I please ,

travel with and without the dc .

Own home , small mortgage ( paid for by me not my ex in any way ) enjoy casual dating when I choose all the excitement none of the drudgery

Yeh it’s awful honestly

MrsMaizel · 09/05/2021 14:15

I'm much older than approaching 40 but I do have a couple of friends who are in this category - never had any children , no partner currently . They have filled their lives with travelling and friends but when it all begins to slow down as in Covid and with age ...then yes I do feel sorry for them.

JeanClaudeVanDammit · 09/05/2021 14:16

I feel sorry for my friend who I know desperately wants children and a husband and is single and in her mid 30s.

I don’t feel sorry for my friend who doesn’t want children or a conventional relationship and is single and in her mid 30s.

IconUcon · 09/05/2021 14:17

Get- a -grip .

OhWhyNot · 09/05/2021 14:17

No

They should be publicly flogged. No doubt they have had many a nice man want to impregnate them but their standards are too high, talk about letting the human race down

CabSauv52 · 09/05/2021 14:19

Hi OP - I'm a never-married childfree single woman in my early 40s who lives alone and it works for me. I do a fair bit of 'aunting' which is why I'm on Mumsnet as I want to support the young people and mothers in my life. At times I have been curious about what it might be like to live with a partner and possibly be a stepmother but that's as far as it goes. Do I feel lonely? Not very often. But in my experience feeling lonely in a relationship is worse. As Jo Brand once said 'I'm as a broody as a pitchfork' and I have never wanted to have children. Some of my friends are happily married with children or without (some less so, in my humble opinion but I respect their choices and their lives and choices are none of my business so I keep my trap shut). Live and let live, I say. What about the women who choose to be nuns? I admire their dedication to their spiritual path and respect their choice. So what if I'm a spinster/bachelorette/ bachelor girl/ single lady?! With the greatest respect, I really thought we were past all this nonsense.

Callixte · 09/05/2021 14:20

Is there a tendency in society to assume that a woman "must" want a husband and children, and is somehow failing and pitiable if she doesn't have that? Historically and generally, absolutely yes - but I don't see it strongly now in my own social and professional circles. I think it's more and more acceptable to make all different kinds of choices. So, I'd feel sympathy with your colleagues and family members if they're feeling singled out and having negative assumptions made about them - but I'd mainly be judging the assumption-makers for being a bit narrow-minded.

I come from a pretty traditional and conservative (and extremely religious) culture, but even there things are changing. There definitely are "attitudes" - my sister is single and outspokenly childfree (and a lesbian) and while our parents are supportive, I know extended family and older family friends and neighbours find it oddish. I also think about a fortyish single friend/colleague who grew up in the US with Japanese-born parents. Her grandmother warned her very seriously that unwed women over the age of 24 are called "old Christmas cake" in Japan - but her parents and siblings think that's hilariously funny, not realistic. I think things are more open-minded in the UK - my (Scottish) SIL has two children who are the centre of her world, but hasn't been "in a relationship" in over a decade and she seems really happy; anyone feeling sorry for her doesn't know her well!

There are also a LOT of variations in life paths - one person may couple up (or not) and have children young and then enjoy her forties with the partner long gone and the children semi-independent. Another may stay single and childfree and then couple up later and even end up with an unexpected family - I was just reading that Kamala Harris, for example, got married for the first time at 49 and ended up with two teenage stepchildren. (And I do kind of wonder: would Americans be happy with a completely single woman VP or President; no first or second gentleman?) And some people never do either, and don't miss or want it. So I'd say fortyish might be a touchy age for someone who wants and doesn't (yet) have children - but for childfree people and/or relationship-wise, not really a bigger deal than any adult age.

Also: when I hear the word "spinster", I just think of the social media website started by MK Fain, an American woman who decided to offer an alternative after being kicked off Twitter for being too outspoken. "Spinster" is a very cool concept, as long as you embrace it. Smile

stayathomer · 09/05/2021 14:20

I'm 40 and know for a fact that most of my friends pity me because I have kids, especially during the pandemic! I was wondering how they were getting on and most were saying god I couldn't imagine having to worry about a child right now, or god you must never get any peace!

Imnothereforthedrama · 09/05/2021 14:21

No people don’t still think that about woman do they good god .
I’m jealous of them bet they have a lovely clean house and they don’t spend £100’s on food and the bathroom is always free .

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 09/05/2021 14:21

No, I don't feel sorry for them (unless it's something they want but don't have). Look at the freedom and independence they have, to take off at a minutes notice on an amazing holiday, to go on a night out/lunch or whatever with friends without having to make any other arrangements etc - bliss!

LordOfTheOnionRings · 09/05/2021 14:22

Comparison is the thief of envy! I would never look down on someone who is living their lives the way they have CHOSEN to live it.

Kids are hard work, men EVEN harder (if that's what you're into) so I totally understand why people would stay single.

Why people feel the need to constantly judge other peoples lives is beyond me - is it not boring? Who cares?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 09/05/2021 14:22

You’ve got to take everyone on their own merits circumstances I think.

LordOfTheOnionRings · 09/05/2021 14:23

Comparison if the thief of joy EYEROLL

Dreamingofbeergardens · 09/05/2021 14:24

@WorraLiberty for having to deal with some of the patronising views on this thread yes. Not in the way the OP is saying. I think that was clear.

Mintjulia · 09/05/2021 14:26

Yabu. Approaching 40 I was single, childless, had an international career, a house I owned outright and a decent pension pot. I certainly didn't feel hard done by. I was very lucky.
Now mid 50s I have a son, still got the career, the pension, the house.

No long term relationship but when I watch the bitter divorces and compromises my friends are enduring, I still don't feel hard done by.

My ds sees his dad every week. I count myself lucky every day.

OuiOuiKitty · 09/05/2021 14:28

Nope. Peoples choices are their own. I don't waste my energy thinking about it to be honest. I presume if they weren't happy with how things are they would change it.

UseOfWeapons · 09/05/2021 14:28

I’m twice-divorced, over 50, and childless.I don’t have a partner, nor do I want one.
I’m happy as I am, thanks so much. Sometimes you make choices, sometimes life makes them for you. But in the final analysis, you can be content, positive, and have a fulfilling, useful, active and loving life, if that what you want, without kids or a partner. That’s me.

I don’t feel looked down on, or undervalued by anyone in my RL, and no one with with half a brain would suggest it.

Cherrysoup · 09/05/2021 14:29

Patronising, much?!

Confusedaboutlots · 09/05/2021 14:29

no. i really doubt they want or need a pity party.

how patronising can one person be!?

ScreamingBeans · 09/05/2021 14:33

Where do you live? The 1950's?

WTF. I don't feel any sorrier for women who don't have a loving supportive relationship, than I do for men.

Surveys over the last few decades consistently show that single women are happier than married women and married men are happier than single men. Married men are the happiest group and single men are the least happy group.

That tells me that men are getting more out of loving relationships than women. So no, I'm not going to feel sorry for any woman not in one, she may well be happier than the one who has the relationship and children.

NeedNewKnees · 09/05/2021 14:33

Statistically, single child-free women are happier, healthier and live longer.

I don’t judge single women, nor pity them or look down on them. I’m happy to admire them living their best lives. May their freedom and independence bring them all the good things life offers.

KatherineJaneway · 09/05/2021 14:33

@dottiedodah

Who on earth uses the word "Spinster" in the 21st c FFS! Sounds like something from the 40s! I am married and dont feel sorry for anyone who is single from choice TBH. Many more choices these days!
Exactly