To want to shout F off to men perving over my teenage daughter

[Tuesdaysintheazores]

Literally on a walk to the shops, the amount who openly stare and gawp, I'm talking men in their 30s ish and older not teenagers. Gives me the rage

But I will admit that girls look so much older than they are these days, it's only when talking to them you can tell their age

If this was the reason they are sexually objectified and harassed at a young age then it wouldn't explain it happening all the time to girls in school uniforms would it? Couldn't be clearer they are not adults and yet they're constantly shouted at and leered upon.

The idea that women and girls go through shit everywhere because they're meek is just wrong

Totally agree. It’s so patronising and once again blaming women. I’ve often read or heard someone claim that Asian and Middle Eastern women are meek I can only presume the person spouting such crap has spent little time with women from these backgrounds

@DeadlyMedally

Men are going to look at physically mature, attractive "women". Surely they'd have to look to decide that she's too young to be looked at? Shouting at them might help, but you'd probably just end up with a sore throat and men still perving.

There’s a big difference between looking and perving There’s a big difference between being out dressed up wanting attention and just going about your day As I said to another poster- as a mother of three adult men, I used to wonder who the fuck was raising these leery ‘men’ I found out on here, and it’s horrifying

this started for me from when I was 11, I fucking HATED those disgusting men. Always middle aged. I Now take my own children to school, we have a secondary enroute and there's always several.od these gross older men who will openly turn and watch the girls walk by in their uniforms. Younger guys don't do it, but these middle age guys, they literally turn their whole bodies to watch and oggle as these young teens walk by. I once shouted at one "Do I need to call Specsavers or the police, because she's under age you sick paedo!!", the disgusting fuck look gobsmacked someone had actually caught him staring and called him out on it.

I think it's really sad that you are afraid to march in case men see you as a hysterical woman. That is the patriarchy affecting your mind again. Stay down, be docile. Who cares what men think? Now is the time for women to get together and stand up for themselves.

I am not afraid to march, I just don't see the point. If you read the post again you will see that I agreed with what the other poster said in that she said it might feed "into the 'hysterical woman' narrative that so many men men have constructed and perpetuated for far too long". Just because I'm not marching it doesn't mean I am staying down or being docile, far from it

It's good that you had a good experience with your march but do you think it has stopped any of the behaviour we've been talking about on this thread?

I will say it again. Men are not going to change.

Ah, no need to answer my last question.

It is the abusers who are to blame for this, not the victims. We can march and shout and fucking dance our arses off standing up for our rights but if a man wants to leer at a woman he will do so - all our protests are going to make fuck all difference.

Used to get this all the time as a child, from the age of about 11. I didn’t look older either. Some men are just irredeemably revolting.

I remember being in the back of the car and my dad was driving. He made a lewd comment about a young woman walking along the street. He used to drive a lot of his (all male) colleagues and I think he forgot who his passenger was this time. He would have confronted any man who'd leered at me or my sister like that.

@kennelmaid

I remember being in the back of the car and my dad was driving. He made a lewd comment about a young woman walking along the street. He used to drive a lot of his (all male) colleagues and I think he forgot who his passenger was this time. He would have confronted any man who'd leered at me or my sister like that.

I think that answers the question about how there are so many of these incidents when all the men we personally know 'aren't like this' doesn't it? They are 'like this', much more often than any of us want to believe when we're not around to see it

My eldest DD is 14. First time this happened to her she was 11, with me and in her primary school uniform

Reading this thread has brought back all the rage I felt that day. It is everywhere and it is so many men who do it - saw a neighbour who has DD similar in age to mine checking out the bums of the school girls waiting to cross the road the other day. He was on the way back from dropping his own youngest daughter to primary school. Makes me want to scream.