To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

[flashbac]

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

Damn you autocorrect - sex based rights!

It’s not surprising really.

Humans are programmed to be selfish. The more humans there are, the more selfish they get.

I just hope sorts this Channel Island issue. How am I meant to hide my wealth offshore if they don’t have electricity?

The working classes are not stupid.
Anyone who thinks this is equally stupid!
The Labour Party thought that they were and it's bitten them on the bum and will do for years unless they do something radical or move to the centre left of politics. Which might be a bit of a start!

@Blackberrycream

I think until Labour accept responsibility for the disenfranchisement of their voter base, nothing will change. There’s plenty of it here. Those silly poor people who don’t understand what is best for them. Women who should just won’t accept that Lisa Nandy’s views are actually ok as the Tories are worse. Is that supposed to be appealing? That’s without discussing the anti semitism that was tolerated by many of those still in the party. Loved the pp comment. It was the absolute worst choice in the ballot box at the last election.I voted Tory for the first time ever. Normally I would have just voted for greens as a protest but I was genuinely fearful of the oh our racism isn’t so bad, the opposition are worse brigade and felt like every vote mattered . The Tories are not winning. Labour are losing and that has to be faced before anything can improve. I think Starmer knows that but a lot of the membership don’t.

This Well said

If Labour lose Hartlepool ( likely ) I hope that Kier Starmer might walk as he is part of the problem.

No party likely matches perfectly to voters.

I really disagreed with tax credits and couldn’t vote for Labour due to that.

Totally agree with Diddly. Our a&e was removed by Blair, after he promised we would be keeping it. Another election promise broken. Another reason we are going blue in Hartlepool is because Ben Houchen has done so well as elected mayor ( because he's Tory and been given funding to get things done). If voting Tory gets some investment we're up for it.

NHS being sold off, people don’t know what they are voting for, just give it a rest. If there was an election on a nice spring day the Conservatives would win again. Labour have completely lost the plot. I don’t know what will happen in Hartlepool but Starmer sounds like he has already lost it and is trying to explain that it will take longer that 18 months to turn things wrong. Excuses yet again, Corbyn was a disaster and they stuck with him for years - just why?

Can any one imagine a cabinet made up of Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell? Would the vaccine roll out be the success it is, would our security services be run well under that blithering Abbott who is clearly not well yet they kept bringing her out and allowing herself to put her foot in it time and time again.

like the oft repeated refrain that labour is full of woke m/c types and doesn't listen.

It's the go to political discussion from the ardent supporters/activists, it's a mirror of the Conservatives bringing up the economy.

This is a time for Labour to self reflect and work out how they are going to bring back the red wall, pretending the culture war is a right wing myth, or that IDPOL/Woke hasn't turned away a lot of votes isn't some right wing conspiracy theory that can be easily waved away as everyone reading the daily mail/right wing press as that doesn't explain the trend happening around europe etc.

In the run up to every election on MN etc you see the same faux innonence post that is essentially calling a group who does not vote the way they 'should' as thick/in despair/lack critical thinking.

If that doesn't show after a decade that it is in fact those posters who actually lack critical thinking and are themselves out of touch then yes, 'doesn't listen' is very high up on the list.

Totally agree with the posters saying crap
Opposition.

@Moonstone1234

NHS being sold off, people don’t know what they are voting for, just give it a rest. If there was an election on a nice spring day the Conservatives would win again. Labour have completely lost the plot. I don’t know what will happen in Hartlepool but Starmer sounds like he has already lost it and is trying to explain that it will take longer that 18 months to turn things wrong. Excuses yet again, Corbyn was a disaster and they stuck with him for years - just why?

Can any one imagine a cabinet made up of Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell? Would the vaccine roll out be the success it is, would our security services be run well under that blithering Abbott who is clearly not well yet they kept bringing her out and allowing herself to put her foot in it time and time again.

I know right. Imagine Jeremy Corbyn spending £60k on re-doing Number 11. Actually he probably would have put up with crappy number 10.

£60k? God it would have taken him so long to spend that. Completely distracted him from his day job - running the country in the ground.

Labour don't have anyone with any ideas & you have to give the Tories credit for how they've handled the pandemic.

Many nations are still having huge problems with it & we have lead the world out of it.

I usually vote Tory but I'll be voting lib dem for the 1st time ever. I'm in a labour ward but you never see them, they never do owt & they don't live around here.

I think your colleagues wouldn't feel comfortable to publically speak about gender issues, if it's something they're concerned with.

The first rule of gender issues is nobody speaks about gender issues.

NHS likely to be sold off

I used to buy into this fear wholeheartedly. Then I actually assessed what the NHS has done to me or for me, and what it's not done to me or for me. Then I thought of all my relatives.

I came to the conclusion the NHS is completely unfit for purpose. Just so beyond fixing we'd probably be better tearing it down and starting from scratch.

Sad but true.

My maternity care almost cost me my life. And I caught pneumonia.
My operation was on the other side of the country.
And I caught pneumonia.
My psychiatrist assessment would have taken at least two years (which I ended up paying privately for, and about to fork out again for my daughter). At least we won't catch pneumonia though.

I've had one relative go into hospital and die, the other went in and got just completely lost in the insanely over-complicated system.

Not a reflection on the staff at all.

But I don't think any amount of reform, or any amount of millions they promise to throw at it could save it.

Lol give me an honest politician please!!!! Haha I’ll continue to vote Tory thanks all the same.

The tories are slick ; I'm old and seen it time and again. They can tap into things that Labour think is beneath them.
I loath the tories and don't believe in their values, but I can see why others do including a lot of my own relatives and my own husband !
They are very clever. Maybe Labour could do with their own Dominic Cummings!

It all comes down to the press. They decide who wins by bombarding the public with what to think. It's appalling

@raffegiraffe

It all comes down to the press. They decide who wins by bombarding the public with what to think. It's appalling

That’s why I get all my news from Facebook.

Also, time & time again I have used the NHS & been given unnecessary appointments, taken months to get things resolved...I don't think the NHS performs very well & wastes vast amounts of money.

There are no consequences at all for medical professionals who waste money on pointless appointments currently.

I have even had doctors googling issues in front of me & you never see the same doctors or nurses anyway when you visit the surgery.

The NHS may of worked in the past but it's not great now.

I suspect if Hartlepool turns blue then Starmer could well feel enough is enough and who could blame him and then Labour are well and truly stuffed. I remember many on MN saying that if Starmer had been in place he would have walked it but be careful what you wish for.

It’s a real shame there is no real opposition and no one comes to mind to take over if Starmer throws the towel in. There is what 3.5 years to the next election and they have wasted 18 months making things worse

I came to the conclusion the NHS is completely unfit for purpose. Just so beyond fixing we'd probably be better tearing it down and starting from scratch
Sad but true
Personally, I think a lot of its issues are down to privatisation..
My DH used to do commercial building work, the NHS would be charged absolutely eye watering amounts of money for extremely simple, small jobs because a private company held the contract and could charge whatever they pleased.

Not many papers are Labour supporters. Even the mirror didn't like JC that much.

The Conservatives have a stonking majority and a track record of not really giving a stuff about being politically correct unless it wins them votes. They also know their fanbase really well, they know how to appeal to them and but also how to appeal to people who previously wouldn't have voted for them in a month of Sundays.
They employ very clever people, that's the long and short of it, perhaps Labour and the other parties do as well, but after 10 years of austerity and a questionable pandemic response, Labour should be streets ahead in the Poll's, so why aren't they ?

@raffegiraffe

It all comes down to the press. They decide who wins by bombarding the public with what to think. It's appalling

Again, those stupid working class people.....

That’s why I get all my news from Facebook.

Exactly, the people still spouting this are usually the terminally online types who unironically post to Canary/bylinetimes/mirror/independant and think thier twitter bubble is representative of the how the UK is thinking, it happens everytime on MN during every election.

Labour don't have anyone with any ideas & you have to give the Tories credit for how they've handled the pandemic.

Is that a joke? We've had 130,000 dead. Don't know about Labour bots I reckon the MN Tory bots are out in force this evening