To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

[flashbac]

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

Easy to blame the press ( I do it too) but just listen to the voters. They don't feel that Labour is any good. I hear it all the time and I'm a nobody politically , I just take an interest. Labour need to change their leader their attitudes and their policies and say something worth listening too.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/12-things-boris-johnson-said-23746218

Want to know what Boris Johnson and the Tories think of women, read this

Oh wow they know what a woman is. But thousands of said women and their families have to use food banks because of their policies as well as all the other great things about having a tory government like the uk being 5th from the bottom of 27 Eu states for infant mortality after 11 years of tory mis'rule'.

So if labour had got in.
We would be having a second eu referendum on top of covid. Prob not have many vaccinated ike the eu.

Universal credit would have been scrapped so no money for furlough as they was also paying for all university students fees? Need I go on.

@flashbac

It’s beggars belief!

@the80sweregreat

Easy to blame the press ( I do it too) but just listen to the voters. They don't feel that Labour is any good. I hear it all the time and I'm a nobody politically , I just take an interest. Labour need to change their leader their attitudes and their policies and say something worth listening too.

I agree- I'm a life-long labour voter and was previously a member but I hate them these days. I'm almost more angry with them than with the fucking tories- how can anyone be so useless that Boris appeared to be a better option? Idiots like Corbyn running labour into the ground, his massive ego too big to stand aside and allow someone who may have actually stood a chance in the last GE. And they've been utterly shit since then too and I can't see what Starmer has done to rebuild.

I voted labour at the last election even though it pained me to do so but now, I won't give them my vote either. I'll spoil my ballot paper or just won't bother at all.

@StoneofDestiny

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/12-things-boris-johnson-said-23746218

Want to know what Boris Johnson and the Tories think of women, read this

Yes we know.

Now isn't it fucking hideous that women think that THAT would do a better job of protecting their sex based rights?

I think until Labour accept responsibility for the disenfranchisement of their voter base, nothing will change. There’s plenty of it here. Those silly poor people who don’t understand what is best for them. Women who should just won’t accept that Lisa Nandy’s views are actually ok as the Tories are worse. Is that supposed to be appealing? That’s without discussing the anti semitism that was tolerated by many of those still in the party.
Loved the pp comment. It was the absolute worst choice in the ballot box at the last election.I voted Tory for the first time ever. Normally I would have just voted for greens as a protest but I was genuinely fearful of the oh our racism isn’t so bad, the opposition are worse brigade and felt like every vote mattered .
The Tories are not winning. Labour are losing and that has to be faced before anything can improve. I think Starmer knows that but a lot of the membership don’t.

I rarely vote in the locals, Labour has lost me forever due to their blatant pissing all over women’s rights.
There is nothing they could do to redeem themselves in my eyes, they have shown their true colours.
I would always either vote Tory or not at all now.

Sadly, I think it is lack of understanding and popularism.

People in some of the most deprived north east areas vote Tory....but don't understand the link between Tory cuts in spending and local public services. My own DP's are the same.

Popular views is that their labour council...'wastes money and that council workers are rubbish and lazy'.
They have no understanding of central government cuts and the effect that has on their labour ( or any other) council/ local authority.

They also don't seem to understand the link between 'less money from central government means less local public services'.

Here, they vote Tory whilst complaining bitterly about 'kids rampaging...what happened to youth clubs' and WHERE are the police....

Where I live my MP is terrible. Well known to be terrible, ineffective if you meet with him and a bit dim. Does literally nothing about the pressing matters in his constituency, including education funding, flooding, transport and economic development I live in a Tory safe seat and he comfortably gets in every time.
Nothing will ever change here because his seat is never at risk.
Very depressing.

I could never vote conservative same as my own dh couldn't vote Labour , but I can see why people do. The Labour Party have lost the plot and the voters :(
It is so so sad.
They need a revamp but with who I'm not sure?
Or how.

I'm not saying that I am going to vote for him but the only candidate to make himself known and give out information, in my area, is the Conservative candidate. The others haven't bothered to do anything.

I have always hated the Tory party. Really. Ex-mining town in Scotland, long family history of Labour, then SNP supporters. Hated what they did to disabled people with PIP and low income families with UC. Completely unnecessary and costs more every year than the old systems did.

But I will probably vote for them in the election. First time. Swing from SNP to Tory.

Honestly there is nobody else. Labour are absolutely beyond useless. SNP are too focused on Indy (and I'd actually quite like independence, but not at the expense of everything else, mainly education. Their stance on women tipped me over the edge).

I truly wish there was an alternative. I haven't found one that aligns with my beliefs and values, and I don't trust any of the others to do a better job.

I was hopeful when Labour finally binned Corbyn, but what happened to them? The only thing I ever hear from them is woke nonsense. The Tories have been very clever and positioned themselves as the actual working man's party while Labour been single-mindedly pandering to Twitter.

Until Labour changes it stance on women’s sex based rights, I will vote Tory. They could eat live kittens for breakfast and I’d still vote for them. This is literally the only issue that matters, all other policies are irrelevant until they fix this.

The gender identity issue is massive on MN, but in real life I don't believe it has so much of an impact. I work in a fairly deprived area that historically has swung between Tory and Labour. My colleagues are all female. I have never heard anyone even mention the gender identity issue, although there is a lot of talk about food banks, healthcare etc.

@lavenderlou

Until Labour changes it stance on women’s sex based rights, I will vote Tory. They could eat live kittens for breakfast and I’d still vote for them. This is literally the only issue that matters, all other policies are irrelevant until they fix this.

The gender identity issue is massive on MN, but in real life I don't believe it has so much of an impact. I work in a fairly deprived area that historically has swung between Tory and Labour. My colleagues are all female. I have never heard anyone even mention the gender identity issue, although there is a lot of talk about food banks, healthcare etc.

I think your colleagues wouldn't feel comfortable to publically speak about gender issues, if it's something they're concerned with.

I agree though it's not the main reason labour have lost votes. Brexit, their disgusting handling of anti-semitism and well, Jeremy Corbyn, Diane Abbott and the likes of Lisa Nandy.

have never heard anyone even mention the gender identity issue
Maybe they are scared of angry repercussion?
I also would never mention the ‘gender identity issue’ but it is the main reason for me voting Tory.

Local elections are very different OP - local issues are not the same as Westminster issues.

We have an issue locally with certain parties being hell bent on having a new village/town built locally, about 400m from the edge of the town. The Conservatives are the only ones who commit to oppose it. We don't need it. What we do need is a new assessment of how many houses we need with Brexit, covid, work patterns changing and Hong Kong people arriving. Until that happens we don't, and may never, need a large new village (at least 5K houses) being built on the outskirts of the town. But it seems that the other parties stand to benefit personally in some way from it.

Anyway, with that in mind I will vote differently between the district and county elections.

Last time I didn't vote Tory because of Brexit. That wasn't very sensible in light of the fact that Brexit wasn't a local election issue but the local Tory candidate was a raving Brexiteer and I just thought no way - new village or not. But two years on the new village issue is still there so I'll be voting Tory.

Local elections shouldn't be down to Westminister party politics anyway, I think people should be independent.

NHS likely to be sold off,

Until some labour activists can actually stop repeating this ad-nausium every election they may start to gain some traction, most people are aware the NHS needs to kind of reform.

imgur.com/yqEi1qu

@Justanotherlurker like the oft repeated refrain that labour is full of woke m/c types and doesn't listen.

I'm not a labour activist by any means but I've heard people in the NHS concerned it's lined up to be being sold bit by bit. Why do people not think this government would do this? Seems to me obvious they would

@bellaisle

Sadly, I think it is lack of understanding and popularism.

People in some of the most deprived north east areas vote Tory....but don't understand the link between Tory cuts in spending and local public services. My own DP's are the same.

Popular views is that their labour council...'wastes money and that council workers are rubbish and lazy'.
They have no understanding of central government cuts and the effect that has on their labour ( or any other) council/ local authority.

They also don't seem to understand the link between 'less money from central government means less local public services'.

Here, they vote Tory whilst complaining bitterly about 'kids rampaging...what happened to youth clubs' and WHERE are the police....

So basically the stupid working class...

In Hartlepool we're expecting the conservatives to walk it. Our labour option is a Remainer who was ditched by Stockton, tried standing for police commissioner then dropped that because he thought we'd be a safe bet. Oh, and at one point he tweeted asking his followers to name their favourite Tory milfs . This is before we even consider them not knowing what a woman is! The Greens are no better. For those who think the fight against substituting sex with gender is meaningless I suggest you look up Jessica Yaniv for a glimpse into the future if we allow our second based rights to be dismantled in one fell swoop.

I'm not a labour activist by any means but I've heard people in the NHS concerned it's lined up to be being sold bit by bit
This pisses me off a bit.
To be clear, I do not agree with any privatisation of the NHS.
But it has been slowly but surely sold bit by bit for years and it was Labour who started it, Blair specifically.
Not the Conservatives.
I do imagine that unfortunately, ultimately, it will be privatised to a larger degree than it is currently but it was Labour that started that and I personally suspect they also if in power would privatise.