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To despair that people still vote Tory given their track record and outright dishonesty?

828 replies

flashbac · 05/05/2021 19:46

I don't get it. Its depressing. We deserve better than this surely? Why give them the green light? What kind of society do we want? One where liars get our approval?

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TubeOfSmarties · 09/05/2021 07:58

I agree with you OP. And it's not about differing political opinions. I am usually a puzzled why certain people would vote Tory but i do understand and respect that people see things differently. This isn't the same as usual though. This time it is condoning overt lies (in parliament!!!), well publicised dubious transactions etc. It's almost irrelevant which party is involved (and indeed , it's completely sickening that everyone is not utterly outraged by all that.

Blackberrycream · 09/05/2021 17:24

@TubeOfSmarties
I think a lot of people are outraged. I was really unhappy with Johnson prior to his election. The Jennifer Acuri issue was already clear .
The problem is though that people are also outraged by the behaviour of the Labour Party in the tolerance of anti semitism and now their attitude towards women’s rights. Starmer seems like a decent man. I think he has to walk a fine line over the last few years but he has been noticeable for quite awhile as he refused to be a cheerleader for Corbyn. The problem remains that a lot of the current crop and many of the current membership were cheerleaders for that. People are distrustful for very valid reasons.

Sadieeloise5687 · 09/05/2021 17:26

Yes starmer needs to reform the party now. Make it more centrist and get rid of Diane Abbott.

Againstmachine · 09/05/2021 17:38

Yes starmer needs to reform the party now. Make it more centrist and get rid of Diane Abbott.

Dianne abbot is a problem, because her constituents keep voting her in, but she is a bad look for Labour party, incompetent, is part of corbyns guard, and pretty much hated people.who don't vote labour and is very condescending

It's very telling that Corbyn disagreed with Labour party for years but they didn't get rid of him, but people in labour disagreed with him got rid.

Starmer hasn't distanced his self from the past, I think they need a figure like Burnham who people.believe stands for.them

Againstmachine · 09/05/2021 17:41

Starmer was made a sir, his CPS also ignored many CSE cases in Rotherham.

Blackberrycream · 09/05/2021 17:58

I think our whole society holds some responsibility for Rotherham. I grew up near a town with similar problems and those problems were widely known about so that would be 40 years ago. Similar to some of the cancel culture of today, it was a truth that nobody wanted to hear so it was shut down. I

LizzieW1969 · 09/05/2021 18:35

I definitely think that Burnham would be the ideal leader of the Labour Party.

LizzieW1969 · 09/05/2021 18:39

I agree that Starmar is too connected with their recent past, as he was in Corbyn’s shadow cabinet. And yes, he does have a lot to answer for re the CPS’s poor handling of CSE in Rotherham.

Xenia · 09/05/2021 18:40

Circles, in 1983 in the London firm where I worked 50% of the trainee solicitors were female. It was very hard then and now to become a solicitor barrister but it was not an amazing feat Stamer managed it particularly - he was from the SE so already privileged, white. Stamer got a first from Leeds and BJ a 2/1 form Oxford. Back in those days those were on a par. They are both clever.

Anyway the bottom line is Labour is not doing very well at present so it needs to find a way to change that if it want to get elected. I hope it does not find the solution. Someone said above it needs to compromise between the active young woke new members and its traditional "conservative" working class voters of which there are vast numbers. If it want to get elected it may need to choose the latter and ditch the former. My student sons eg do not support Labour - both vote Green.

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 18:54

Do Labour not realise that Abbott is not doing them any favours, seems to be out of it when talking and if you notice that once she starts speaking (in a very slow manner which indicates that she is either not well or that she thinks we are all idiots) people just start laughing. The odd wigs don’t help but that wouldn’t be that important except for the fact that add all those things together and she comes across as not the sharpest tool in the box yet she could have been Home Secretary. Add together Owen Jones et al and you have a party that is becoming a running joke.

I hear that Burnham is now been seen as a potential leader. Honestly, so was Starmer! They need a completely different direction and by flaying around like this they are unlikely to cause any issues to the Conservatives in the next GE and the one after

Againstmachine · 09/05/2021 18:57

I hear that Burnham is now been seen as a potential leader. Honestly, so was Starmer!*

But Burnham appeals to the working classes more than starmer

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 19:00

He has failed a number of times to get elected as leader. The left are so far up themselves they will never vote him in. I heard Abbott and McDonnell stating THIS MORNING that Labour need to go back to Corbyn’s ideas and policies and that they were very popular.

Give me strength... are they completed deluded..

DiddlyWiddly · 09/05/2021 19:15

I heard Abbott and McDonnell stating THIS MORNING that Labour need to go back to Corbyn’s ideas and policies and that they were very popular
Yes, I have heard them say this too.
The left woke shit is a huge part of the reason why they are losing and why people feel they no longer represent them.

Give me strength... are they completed deluded..
Yes, yes they are.

LizzieW1969 · 09/05/2021 19:20

They certainly are delusional. I mean, northern voters are abandoning Labour for the Tories and Abbott and McConnell think the answer is to move further to the left??? It makes no sense at all. Confused

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 19:30

Can someone explain to me why people vote for Abbott? I am not being goady but honestly she is not a well women and she is allowed prime airtime to give her views which sound completely out of kilter with what has just happened.

Please don’t say she is a good MP. She comes across as rather simple and completely out of touch with what is going on. I find it very hard to believe she suddenly has a personality transplant when she goes back to her constituency. I wonder if it’s the team around her and she is just the person who they put in front of the camera. Or maybe the voters are so much a fan of Labour that they would vote anyone in, anyone at all. It just happens to be her. In her day she seemed to have some fire within her. Now she is just very very odd and does huge damage to the party (and shame on them - they let her!).

I cannot believe anyone sensible in the LP thinks - I know Diane would be great to get the message across..

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flashbac · 09/05/2021 19:38

@Moonstone1234

Can someone explain to me why people vote for Abbott? I am not being goady but honestly she is not a well women and she is allowed prime airtime to give her views which sound completely out of kilter with what has just happened.

Please don’t say she is a good MP. She comes across as rather simple and completely out of touch with what is going on. I find it very hard to believe she suddenly has a personality transplant when she goes back to her constituency. I wonder if it’s the team around her and she is just the person who they put in front of the camera. Or maybe the voters are so much a fan of Labour that they would vote anyone in, anyone at all. It just happens to be her. In her day she seemed to have some fire within her. Now she is just very very odd and does huge damage to the party (and shame on them - they let her!).

I cannot believe anyone sensible in the LP thinks - I know Diane would be great to get the message across..

Priti Patel is far worse (remember her numbers gaffe? Bullying, losing crime data etc) and an actual threat to our human rights (anti protest bill) yet people vote her in.
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tttigress · 09/05/2021 19:43

Whatever the rights and wrongs of Diane Abbott, she clearly isn't a well women.

Surely she and the Labour party should realise her constituents need a new MP?

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 19:45

Well she definitely needs to review the meds because she comes across like this all the time now. I agree though the Conservative must love her.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 09/05/2021 19:48

Theresa May has diabetes - and apart from the dodgy dancing and some terrible decisions... she seemed to manage.

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 19:49

Is this the women who put her son into a private school and who then said West Indian women go to the wall for their kids? The rest of us just don’t care clearly.

Didn’t her son get into some trouble recently?

Bearnecessity · 09/05/2021 19:51

Can't see May mixing the meds with tinned monitors...mind....

Inacountrygarden · 09/05/2021 19:51

Sorry I haven’t read through this thread but YANBU and I also despair.

Moonstone1234 · 09/05/2021 19:51

Blimey..Patel or Abbott? I would choose Patel anytime although I am not a great fan. Abbott as Home Secretary would be horrendous. I cannot think anyone would think she would be better. Really?

Bearnecessity · 09/05/2021 19:52

Whoops mojitos....bloomin autocorrect....

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