To ask wtf is cis privilege and why does it need to be tackled

[KateWinceyette]

Seriously, what is cis privilege? My phone doesn't know because it corrected it to customer privilege!

Please explain to me in simple terms for I am simply a woman who doesn't get it.

It’s where a small group of people decided they were exceptionally special and if we didn’t bow down to them we’d be labels horrible hateful women. We ignored them so they’re attempting to be noticed now. Unfortunately educated professionals are not that educated in the matter and don’t like being called hateful even when there is no hate.

Nope. Can't be dealing with the cis thing.

I have no problem with people doing what they want to do but the way some,not all actually the trans camp goes about their business is a total horror. Some trans activists are utterly abhorrent in the attitudes they have towards lesbians, people who say er hang on a minute, can women's rights sit alongside trans rights thanks, and the hideous TERF slur, the cries of bigotry etc. And it's mostly trans women who are guilty of this which just makes me think well you're basically a man being a twat to women so, you've lost me there sorry. Kind of an own goal that. It's like closet patriarchal male privilege or something.

There is a corner of the trans contingent that agrees with this and are equally horrified.

You find any declaration of pronouns here.

*won't!

@blackcurrantjam much more elegantly out than I could manage and I agree. A trans woman coming out with this shit (point me in the direction of a trans man spewing hateful bile, rape threats and threats of physical violence if there is any) makes the case and point for women. Why would we want to share any spaces with people who have repeatedly shown us they’re still mentally a man practicing male violence and have no issue with it. They don’t want to be women, they want to be men with male privilege that get to dress up and take over.

Calling women cis is misgendering.

There could have been a sensible, rational discussion about how to balance the needs and rights of two groups.

But we got - no debate, rape threats, death threats, no platforming, doxxing, slurs, compelled speech etc etc. And the terms are constantly changing - spellings and terms which were acceptable are suddenly deeply transphobic. I've seen trans people themselves censured for their 'transphobia'.

It's now got to a point where people who were, or would have been, trans allies think 'why are we putting up with this?'. Be kind has morphed into 'shut up women, your opinions aren't important'.

As a women what is my cis privilege?

I think arguably women get more hate than trans gender people. ‘Suck my lady dick’, ‘shut up and die TERF’ are quite commonly directed at women. I’ve never seen anything online directed at trans gender people that isn’t stuffed with rainbows and ‘be kind’. I may be looking in the wrong places but these are both pretty mainstream examples of what one group receives and what the other does.

In the U.K. roughly three women a week are murdered. I think there’s been one transgender murder victim in three years.
Where’s the cis privilege here?

And yet standing up for women’s rights now means we’re shouted down and abused. Frankly I think the term should be ‘trans privilege’ because trans people are allowed the courtesy of an opinion these days. Oh yeah - and women’s rights - have them too!

ConfusedAdultFemale well quite! You don't seem to get the same vitriol and bile from transmen at all .

I don't somehow think of the nasty side of the trans contingent in the same way. I think they're just nasty. The rest of the trans plight which I think is legitimate is somewhat polluted by the extremist section. Much like anything I suppose.

@weareallpassengers

As a women what is my cis privilege?

I await the badges ‘ask me about my cis privilege’.

God I hate the phrase “Lady dick” SO much! I was accused of being a ‘TERF’ very recently on a FB thread. I’d said something about biological male sex organs. That’s a no no though, as it’s transphobic to assign a penis to men and a vagina to women

@toffeebutterpopcorn

what does that mean?

Oh god I’d not be the wearer! My office is in in some central and badges are often seen (and not in a good way like when we were students)

Woke central not some central.

Being a woman is a privilege now 😂

A trans woman coming out with this shit (point me in the direction of a trans man spewing hateful bile, rape threats and threats of physical violence if there is any) makes the case and point for women. Why would we want to share any spaces with people who have repeatedly shown us they’re still mentally a man practicing male violence and have no issue with it

This. With hairy balls on.

@blackcurrantjam I entirely agree about the rest of the trans plight being polluted. There is a trans woman on here who has been deleted and censored for attempting to disagree with TRA’s and labelled transphobic themselves. It’s utterly bizarre, I really feel for those in that position but the damage has been done by the TRA’s themselves and I don’t think they have the capability to see how poisonous they’ve been for their own group, nor will they ever have the capability to repair the damage.

I think this tweet sums up both sides of the debate quite well.

twitter.com/boodleoops/status/1389116906041495552?s=21

I entirely agree about the rest of the trans plight being polluted. There is a trans woman on here who has been deleted and censored for attempting to disagree with TRA’s and labelled transphobic themselves

Agree. I've actually found that really upsetting. It must be so traumatic for that poster.

According to the theory, as far as I can tell, anyone who is not 'gender conforming' is trans (or 'non binary'). Which covers just about everyone - I doubt very much there is anyone on the face of the planet who conforms perfectly to a an arbitary set of socially constructed stereotypes.

So, that's good, we're all trans; we can be fairly sure cis privilege doesn't exist.

(Anyone who really insists on being cis, that's cool, you can own the cis privilege and just leave the rest of us alone, ta. Because you don't really understand what it's like.)

Don't agree with cis anything or want to be labelled as such. I'm a woman, not a cis woman. But yet when I say that, it seems to be frowned upon by some people because apparently it makes trans individuals uncomfortable. And yet when I'm uncomfortable with it, that's fine. It seems to all be very one sided with demands and expectations. I'm not putting pronouns and I'm not calling myself cis, I have a choice as do they. They can fuck right off with cis privilege.

Another way to wipe out women from history. It’s total bollocks and I doubt you’ll find many on here who support such tripe. I’m not privileged because I was born a female. I am a product of genetics and evolution. It’s as ridiculous as saying you’re privileged navies you were born with blonde hair but I have to dye mine 🙄

And are trans people denied healthcare?

No, of course they're not. When gender extremists say healthcare they don't actually mean healthcare, they mean free cosmetic surgery and hormones on demand.

Its utter fucking nonsense

A few men (and it is a very few) feel they are women and now have so much power we females (real women) are having decisions made for us by them

And we have cis privilege what a fucking joke it’s male privilege once again deciding what it right for women

It makes my blood boil I can’t ignore it when it’s starting to impact on the lives of real girls and real women

It’s a made up thing where privileged people can identify into being the most oppressed ever.

Funnily enough the actual most oppressed people can’t identify into being the most privileged because it just doesn’t work like that.

One can only identify downwards, so it’s really not worth anybody with any real disadvantage bothering. This concept really isn’t for them.