To ask wtf is cis privilege and why does it need to be tackled

[KateWinceyette]

Seriously, what is cis privilege? My phone doesn't know because it corrected it to customer privilege!

Please explain to me in simple terms for I am simply a woman who doesn't get it.

Not read all of this13 pages, just saw enough to make me

I was 'assigned female at birth', if we must put it that way. I am a woman. So would be labelled 'cis' and, no doubt, described as having 'cis privilege', yet was bullied at school for liking 'boy' things. Yes, my 'cis privilege' just shone out there.

Nobody should be bullied or abused for not conforming to gender stereotypes, because it shouldn't matter what people wear or what their interests are etc., but being someone who is not trans doesn't make you immune to this bullying/abuse.

But according to a website I read I'm agender (which neatly means I can magically be straight rather than bi if I so choose...) so maybe that bullying was transphobic and I can join the 'most oppressed' list as well...

But according to a website I read I'm agender (which neatly means I can magically be straight rather than bi if I so choose...) so maybe that bullying was transphobic and I can join the 'most oppressed' list as well...

You'd think, wouldn't you? It doesn't work for boring support humans like us.

@BabyofMine

It’s kind of a weird/confusing example to use to me, because I’m of the female sex and I don’t hate my periods, I actually quite like them in a funny sort of way. Is that really something people say in a cavalier cisgender-privileged sort of way? I’ve never heard anyone say that.

I'd like to learn to embrace my periods - not a fan at all. Help me out - what is there to like?

Some TW will claim that TM acquire male privilege so within some trans communities young teenage females are seen as oppressors to older males.

Yes, it's a topsy turvy belief system, where we are expected to believe that a group of mostly white middle aged males who have lived as men for years and often had family, made money in male dominated careers etc are less privileged than 17 year olds trying to identify out of womanhood for psychological reasons.

Personally I'd say I'm privileged not to question my sexuality (which is of the type deemed by everyone to be 'acceptable') or to grow up feeling as though my physical body isn't my own.

I've never faced homophobia (my brother's gay and has experienced horrific discrimination and prejudice) or transphobia. I've never felt the need to hide who I really am to avoid comments like those on this thread. So yes, I'd say I've lived a privileged life in that respect.

I've still experienced sexual discrimination, sexual assault and been denied opportunities because of my sex, but that's a separate issue.

I've deleted the word 'privilige' from my personal dictionary, one of these self-righteous, over-used words.

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Some TW will claim that TM acquire male privilege so within some trans communities young teenage females are seen as oppressors to older males.

Yes, it's a topsy turvy belief system, where we are expected to believe that a group of mostly white middle aged males who have lived as men for years and often had family, made money in male dominated careers etc are less privileged than 17 year olds trying to identify out of womanhood for psychological reasons.

It's very strange how the needs of two such disparate sets of people are lumped together.

I fail to see how the needs of teenage girls wanting to transition have anything at all to do with middle aged males who are transitioning.

It seems to me that there is huge damage simply from treating the two groups as the same. For example the demands that all children identifying as trans be given puberty blockers, where there never seems to be any discussion of how blocking puberty in girls is going to make it far less likely for them to pass as men in the future given that it will stunt their height.

Personally I'm against experimental drugs in children in general, but even if you're pro-medical intervention it seems that doing the same thing for females transitioning as males is clearly bonkers as the biological differences mean that the results won't be the same.

I think 'cis-privilege' is one of those terms that is used to try and obscure the details, so that everyone's too busy navel gazing rather than looking critically at what is being advocated.

I've still experienced sexual discrimination, sexual assault and been denied opportunities because of my sex, but that's a separate issue.

Why is it a "separate issue", in terms of lacking privilege? Do you think sex discrimination/harassment and the male violence women face as females is less important than transphobia/homophobia?

Doesn't seem to be a lot of " cis" privilege when it comes to female prisoners and their safety when incarcerated!
fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-prison-policy/

You'd think, wouldn't you? It doesn't work for boring support humans like us.

I always find it odd how you can identify as anything you want and that has to be accepted unless you're an "afab" woman when you're apparently doing it wrong and have to be told what you are. Because obviously we're just being difficult, awkward, bloody minded, unreasonable etc.

Nothing ever changes.