To wonder what it is about “no overnight stays till 17 May” that is so hard to understand?

[HaveringWavering]

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

soubriquet not doing it until 17th gives one an exquisite sense of superiority.

[quote Takemetothebar]@HaveringWavering

It’s very irritating when posters assume that responders don’t understand something, when really they just disagree.[/quote]
Way are you talking about? The thread title?

“What is it about x that is so hard to understand?” is a figure of speech used rhetorically. I am not suggesting that people literally do not understand dates!

I'm just about to pop and have a cuppa in my terminally ill dad's kitchen. Ask me how many fucks I give.

Life is for living. Numbers are low. Time to get on with it

Enough of the frothing nonsense on "rules"

It isn't 'no overnight stays', it's no overnight stays except for permitted purposes. I'm going to stay in a hotel for two nights next week in the hope of seeing my brother one last time before he dies. Strangely enough I don't want to tell every Tom, Dick and Harry about my brother, so I'm sure there are people who think I'm breaking the rules. Tough, that's their problem.

@YetAnotherHastyNameChange

soubriquet not doing it until 17th gives one an exquisite sense of superiority.

Yes, I feel very superior about not letting my son see his grandparents for two more weeks. That is absolutely my only motivation for not breaking the law.

I'm more worried by the ventilation message not having gained traction among people I'm coming across and venues now open for business.

I think now is the safest time to visit fully vaccinated older relatives. I'll still be opening windows like a demon though.

@minniemomo

I'm with you *@HaveringWavering*

It was people not following the rules that have prelonged this nightmare. 8 cases in my development, turns out a parent allowed their kid a sleepover party at Easter. We all need to do our part nobody is special

No it’s people FOLLOWING the rules that have prolonged this nightmare - that was the whole fucking point of the rules - remember “flatten the curve”?! A longer and more drawn out process was needed to protect the NHS.

Most of the NHS has done shit all for the last year - they’re not all staffing non-existent covid hospitals you know. And people are rightly fed up with being told what to do by people who don’t follow their own advice.

If I had anywhere to go I’d be there like a shot.

I have a support bubble and stayed there for a few nights recently. Don't actually know if this is allowed or not, but wouldn't begrudge those doing similar without a support bubble. As long as they're not going between multiple houses or being around a lot of people, I think it's reasonable. Lockdown is easing now and we have been dealing with this shit for over a year. It's hard on all of us, but some people cope better with the rules than others. You don't know what gones on behind closed doors for your colleagues, they might really need a bit of an escape for their mental health, I don't think a couple weeks before they're officially allowed will make that much of a difference.

@HaveringWavering

They’d all be the first to complain if their employers asked them to come back to the office a millisecond before the government relaxes “work from home if possible”.

I no longer care. I would happily stay overnight at someone's house if invited. I am vaccinated, low risk and completely done with all the restrictions which make very little logical sense. Nothing is going to change on the 17th. I would also have no shame at seeing my loved ones after all this bloody time.

I also chose to work from the office because I wanted to be around people.

Can't say I know anyone following the rules anymore

You've missed my point re Nazi youth. It wasn't a comparison about the measures but about how quickly and gleefully people were prepared to turn against their friends and neighbours.

You know they're going to be THAT relative that no one wants to see anyway.

@baubled

Can't say I know anyone following the rules anymore

Snap

It feels a bit pointless to wait until 17 May when my sister and brother in law have had both their two doses (work), my dad has had one, and we'd like to go to their house and stay and see the new baby who arrived in November that we haven't met yet. But those are the rules.

It feels safer to meet indoors because the rules have largely been followed during the latest lockdown, and vaccination programme has been given space to protect people. If all the rules were abandoned and everyone went totally back to normal from tomorrow, the 65% or whatever one dose of vaccine still leaves plenty of adults to circulate covid amongst even before you consider people with dodgy immune systems that haven't properly fired up protection.

Currently the population is across a spectrum of people behaving normally, people basically still shielding, and everything in between from once a week outdoor pub visits with one friend to inviting half the class round for sleepovers indoors. The people following the rules or even being more careful than the rules say help to balance out the people not following them.

@NefretForth

It isn't 'no overnight stays', it's no overnight stays except for permitted purposes. I'm going to stay in a hotel for two nights next week in the hope of seeing my brother one last time before he dies. Strangely enough I don't want to tell every Tom, Dick and Harry about my brother, so I'm sure there are people who think I'm breaking the rules. Tough, that's their problem.

I am very sorry to hear that. However I can say with 100% certainty that nobody who has told me about their weekend jaunt plans is going to visit a dying relative.

It was people not following the rules that have prelonged this nightmare

You made that up.

I honestly don't care anymore. But then I've been saying that for ages.

@HaveringWavering

So many colleagues and acquaintances merrily talking today about plans to go and stay with relatives for the bank holiday. Nobody has any shame. We’re waiting till the 17th. Does nobody care any more?

The responses on this thread accurately sum up why people are effectively ignoring the lockdown rules.

A 3rd wave is expected, but there shouldn't be another lockdown after June.

The expectation is that the NHS will be able to cope, now that there is a better understanding of how to treat this disease.

People have been having overnight stays since at least last summer, probably before. Zone 3, 4, lockdown or not.

People have used their right to a "bubble" and their own interpretation of said bubble for months.

We've never had a strict lockdown or strict rules anyway, it's a bit late to get worked up about it!

@Lamentations

You've missed my point re Nazi youth. It wasn't a comparison about the measures but about how quickly and gleefully people were prepared to turn against their friends and neighbours.

No, I fully understood your point. I addressed it by explaining that collective action is the only way it works so it is perfectly legitimate to want others to comply.

@name674398

Can honestly say I don't give a flying fuck.

Neither do I anymore.

I've spent several weeks this year staying with and caring for my elderly and vulnerable parents at the time of my Dad's final illnesses and for his death and funeral. As did my sister.

You do you. Covid 19 doesn't have a magical date of 17th May 2021 on it's calendar that says it will just disappear m

Lots of spoilt tantrumming brats with no resourcefulness or resilience on this post. It's no hassle to follow the guidance if you have a brain in your head, or do germs magically not spread if you're bored, Christ alive - this society continues its race to the bottom.

We've never had a strict lockdown or strict rules anyway, it's a bit late to get worked up about it!

How much stricter can a rule be than it being the law?

@Demelza82

Lots of spoilt tantrumming brats with no resourcefulness or resilience on this post. It's no hassle to follow the guidance if you have a brain in your head, or do germs magically not spread if you're bored, Christ alive - this society continues its race to the bottom.

What for saying they don't care what others do anymore?

@Demelza82

Lots of spoilt tantrumming brats with no resourcefulness or resilience on this post. It's no hassle to follow the guidance if you have a brain in your head, or do germs magically not spread if you're bored, Christ alive - this society continues its race to the bottom.

Actually it is a hassle to follow the guidance for various reasons for many people. Try broadening your mind a bit instead of just talking rubbish.