Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

[Kendodd]

My theory is that voters don't care.

Was the headmasters kitchen paid off the books or by a Tory donor? Would the headmaster be obliged to do anything in return? Otherwise that anecdote doesn't really reveal anything but a very expensive taste in kitchens.

@Notonthestairs

Was the headmasters kitchen paid off the books or by a Tory donor? Would the headmaster be obliged to do anything in return? Otherwise that anecdote doesn't really reveal anything but a very expensive taste in kitchens.

I was pointing out that improvements and decorations to properties which ‘come with the job’ are not customarily paid for by the incumbent.

There is usually a transparent process regarding how renovations/refits are paid for. Not asking around donors to stump up the cash. Who offers £60k and doesn't want anything in return?

I think Starmer in John Lewis was hilarious. Proper piss take. Unclench. It's funny.

And It's not about the refurb itself, is it?

It's about who paid for it even though Johnson says he eventually paid for it himself a d therefore what leverage they have over Johnson.

It's pitiful how many people don't mind corruption, backhanders etc as long as the taxpayer didn't pay for it. Such low standards.

Jennifer Arcuri? She did very well out her shagging Johnson whilst his wife was out.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/30/scandal-charge-sheet-johnson-wallpaper-lying?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

Prime ministers receive an annual allowance of up to £30,000 a year to put towards maintaining their home, but there has been speculation that the work Johnson commissioned cost up to £200,000

But the point is that, if the PM received a loan from a Tory donor, the question becomes, did they ask for some kind of ‘favour’ in return? In other words, was it a bribe?

There have to be rules around this sort of thing. My DH works for the LA and he tells me that the limit to what they’re allowed to accept as a gift is £25.

@HarrietPierce

Prime ministers receive an annual allowance of up to £30,000 a year to put towards maintaining their home, but there has been speculation that the work Johnson commissioned cost up to £200,000

Well, you don't get much for £30 grand.

I think if you thought Boris had integrity and competence when he became PM then there’s not much he could do to change that opinion.

I mean the guy who had a child with his mistress, who arranged to have a journalist beaten up, who was sacked from jobs due lying has his integrity questioned now? 😂

I don’t think voters in England will care and it seems tories will do well then. Maybe in Scotland as he’s not liked. The new conservative leader isn’t as good as the previous one and along with Boris in no.10 it’s possible labour could overtake conservatives for second place. We’ll see.

It's about buying access & favours from the Prime Minister.

Not whether £30k is sufficient.

Notonthestairs Sat 01-May-21 09:23:39
It's about buying access & favours from the Prime Minister.

Not whether £30k is sufficient.

Exactly.

"You don't get much for 30 grand."

Tough tits then, isn't it?

"You don't get much for £30k"

The Tories are the party of austerity. Guardians of the economic health of Britain. Surely they can budget and tighten their belts along with the rest of us?

Or don't Tory voters mind one rule for them and another for everyone else?

Well, you don't get much for £30 grand

It must be awful. I can’t imagine how difficult it must be for them. I’d never be able to redecorate on that paupers budget

Yes I do care. He is a compulsive lying twat and voters need to question why they accept it.
It matters not what he spends his ill gotten gains on; wallpaper, drugs, starving children (ha as if!) the fact remains he had broken the rules. He absolutely is guilty as he refuses to answer the simple question ‘Who gave you the money to decorate your flat?’
Rules are there to protect tax payers. It’s our money or if he has taken cash gifts from individuals this needs disclosing.

Yes because it demonstrates the corruption that is endemic in his government. He is a cheat and a liar. He should never have become leader of the Conservative Party and I hope and pray that this is enough to topple him.

'The Tories are the party of austerity. Guardians of the economic health of Britain. Surely they can budget and tighten their belts along with the rest of us?'

I must admit even as a Johnson supporter it baffles me why they did this, in a temporary rented flat. Surely they should have known it would get out and if needed redecorating then just keep to basics.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

What did Brown lies about? Currently, various promises and statements about Scotish independence. Back then - gold reserves, basic finances and the leap into PFI (aka The Third Way), oil revenues being all the funding Scotland would need. Those campaign leaflets about pensions, and other things, being removed by the Tories.

But mostly the combination of the still inexplicable selling off of the nation's gold reserves at basement prices and the PFI deal that still haunts the UK today!

I sometimes wonder why I was still a party member after all of that!

Sorry, can you give me links to his lies - as opposed to decisions you disagreed with?

@Pottedpalm

The more Starmer whines and postures in the wallpaper department of John Lewis, the weaker he looks. There are pressing issues to be addressed which do not include fussing about the decoration of a flat. A local headmaster ( private school) has a house provided for him and his family. Recently £75k was spent on slightly extending and refitting the kitchen. He paid nothing; it’s not his house. However, he and his wife chose the kitchen and fittings they wanted.

Yes we lived in various tied accommodation over the years. We didn’t pay for strict stuff but did pay for decoration and furnishings. Depending on the reason for the tie, you often have to pay HMRC as it is a taxable benefit. Ours was always a clear part of the contract and tenancy agreement.

We didn’t hand people multimillion pound, untendered contracts to secure additional funding. We didn’t bribe people. We didn’t cover up those bribes.

Who offers £60k and doesn't want anything in return?

Someone who wants to reward an 80 seat majority? Both of my dc have received cash or voucher prizes for achievement (in school and out of school awards) - several hundred pounds worth in one instance.

Brown. What did Gordon Brown lie about?

He is mentioned several times in Theresa May's list;

Theresa May MP: 100 sleaze allegations show that Brown must clean up government.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2007/04/theresa_may_100.html

And this from the then Tory MP Nick Boles - ‘a compulsive liar who has betrayed every single person he has ever had any dealings with: every woman who has ever loved him, every member of his family, every friend, every colleague, every employee, every constituent.’

Nick Boles writing here in 2016;

Nick Boles: I’m a moderniser. I backed Remain. And here’s why I believe Johnson should be the next Conservative leader. ...

First, although I campaigned hard for a Remain vote...I cannot escape the conclusion that our next Prime Minister needs to be someone who supported the idea of leaving the EU. ...

We need to elect someone who has deep experience of leadership, and can cope with the relentless pressure and exposure of a top-flight political job. ...

we need to elect someone who is a natural unifier, and consensus builder, a fully paid-up member of the human race, who doesn’t just spout the rhetoric of One Nation, but lives and breathes an approach to politics that is warm, generous, open and inclusive. ...

we must not neglect the important matter of winning elections...So we must choose a standard-bearer who can appeal to voters of all ages, races, backgrounds in every part of the count–someone who can reach the parts of Britain that other Conservatives find hard to reach.

I have worked closely with Johnson as his chief of staff when he was first elected Mayor of London. We have had well-advertised differences in the past. But he is a modern, liberal Tory, who won two elections in a city that is naturally Labour, who has grown immensely in stature and maturity in his eight years as Mayor, and who will lead the country with the same humanity and sense of fairness that he brought to the leadership of our capital city.

Many of my closest friends in politics...will struggle with the choice I am recommending. I understand completely where they are coming from. But I am going to spend the next three months doing my best to explain to them, as the spirit of my late father explained to me, why the national interest must come first and why, in the national interest, we must elect Johnson.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/nick-boles-im-a-moderniser-i-backed-remain-and-heres-why-i-believe-johnson-should-be-the-next-conservative-leader.html

Also from Nick Boles' 2016 article;
whenever I felt like giving in to despair, or the desire to storm off and sulk...

Presumably those school awards of £ are documented by the school/charity in their accounts.

@Clavinova

Who offers £60k and doesn't want anything in return?

Someone who wants to reward an 80 seat majority? Both of my dc have received cash or voucher prizes for achievement (in school and out of school awards) - several hundred pounds worth in one instance.

Brown. What did Gordon Brown lie about?

He is mentioned several times in Theresa May's list;

Theresa May MP: 100 sleaze allegations show that Brown must clean up government.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2007/04/theresa_may_100.html

And this from the then Tory MP Nick Boles - ‘a compulsive liar who has betrayed every single person he has ever had any dealings with: every woman who has ever loved him, every member of his family, every friend, every colleague, every employee, every constituent.’

Nick Boles writing here in 2016;

Nick Boles: I’m a moderniser. I backed Remain. And here’s why I believe Johnson should be the next Conservative leader. ...

First, although I campaigned hard for a Remain vote...I cannot escape the conclusion that our next Prime Minister needs to be someone who supported the idea of leaving the EU. ...

We need to elect someone who has deep experience of leadership, and can cope with the relentless pressure and exposure of a top-flight political job. ...

we need to elect someone who is a natural unifier, and consensus builder, a fully paid-up member of the human race, who doesn’t just spout the rhetoric of One Nation, but lives and breathes an approach to politics that is warm, generous, open and inclusive. ...

we must not neglect the important matter of winning elections...So we must choose a standard-bearer who can appeal to voters of all ages, races, backgrounds in every part of the count–someone who can reach the parts of Britain that other Conservatives find hard to reach.

I have worked closely with Johnson as his chief of staff when he was first elected Mayor of London. We have had well-advertised differences in the past. But he is a modern, liberal Tory, who won two elections in a city that is naturally Labour, who has grown immensely in stature and maturity in his eight years as Mayor, and who will lead the country with the same humanity and sense of fairness that he brought to the leadership of our capital city.

Many of my closest friends in politics...will struggle with the choice I am recommending. I understand completely where they are coming from. But I am going to spend the next three months doing my best to explain to them, as the spirit of my late father explained to me, why the national interest must come first and why, in the national interest, we must elect Johnson.

www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/06/nick-boles-im-a-moderniser-i-backed-remain-and-heres-why-i-believe-johnson-should-be-the-next-conservative-leader.html

Also from Nick Boles' 2016 article;
whenever I felt like giving in to despair, or the desire to storm off and sulk...

Ah The Tories made allegations about Gordon Brown. I see. Is there a link to somewhere that shows he lied?

The Tories are the party of austerity. Guardians of the economic health of Britain. Surely they can budget and tighten their belts along with the rest of us?

A woman phoned in to LBC last week - she described herself as "a nobody/a nothing" (of course the radio host assured her she was not) - but she pointed out that even she had spent £20,000 on her new kitchen with everything added up.

.....and Johnson didn’t support Brexit until he saw it as a route to number 10. In fact, he wrote, “Britain remaining in the European Union would be a "boon for the world and for Europe" just two days before deciding to back the proBrexit campaign.

Integrity? Honourable? Or Self serving?

Clavinova - did the woman on the radio ask a Tory donor to pay for her refurbishment? Because if Tory donors are giving out cash for renovations I'll sign up now.

We have gone from Jill Biden to a woman on LBC

Note that clavinova can quote the exact costs for both of them unlike for Johnson.