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Doyou care about Boris Johnson's constant lying?

999 replies

Kendodd · 28/04/2021 07:24

My theory is that voters don't care.

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orinocosfavoritecake · 30/04/2021 22:07

Well, this is from his old boss and firm Tory Max Hastings: ‘ There is room for debate about whether he is a scoundrel or mere rogue, but not much about his moral bankruptcy, rooted in a contempt for truth.’

And this from the then Tory MP Nick Boles ‘a compulsive liar who has betrayed every single person he has ever had any dealings with: every woman who has ever loved him, every member of his family, every friend, every colleague, every employee, every constituent.’

I suppose whether you care depends on whether you think he’s lying to you.

mouldygrapes · 30/04/2021 22:08

@mustlovegin

Refusal to change his number

Ok. The media and opposition really clutching at straws here. This campaign is laughable and getting more ridiculous by the day

Take Boris out of this. Do you feel it is appropriate for any individual elected to high office to keep the mobile phone they’ve had for 15+ years and use this for official business? Spoiler alert: it’s not
Magnificentmug12 · 30/04/2021 22:09

Show me a pm whose never lied and I’ll change my vote!

(It can’t be done!)

Magnificentmug12 · 30/04/2021 22:10

India is too big for just one country to help, they need lots of countries to help.

DuncinToffee · 30/04/2021 22:21

The USA and the EU are also sending aid

Theythinkitsalloveritisnow · 30/04/2021 22:23

@StoneofDestiny

Would you feel safe is married to a prolific liar? Would you be comfortable working for or with a prolific liar? Would you accept your children lying to you all the time?

If not - why on Earth would we trust the person in the highest office in the land who is lying to us, or the party who chose them as their leader.

Problem is the common perception is that they all lie. I remember the ramifications of Blair and his claims of WMD in Iraq.

So when I see the media furore about gold wallpaper I just think.. hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and it makes it difficult to be bothered.

Crimeismymiddlename · 30/04/2021 22:48

I do care, but, like David Cameron it’s not like he had hidden it. Personally I feel that the reaction of the opposition is telling, and that yet again they are shying away from challenging the government properly and are using lazy stunts instead. It just means that yet again I will vote for the independent candidate who at least has important local issues as a basis for campaign rather than petty point scoring.

Peregrina · 30/04/2021 23:54

The VMIC will be the UK’s first national vaccines manufacturing and innovation facility and will be able to respond to pandemics by producing millions of doses quickly.

Heard these stories before from Boris Johnson - 40 new hospitals and 50,000 nurses as I recall. Have yet to see the turf cut on said hospitals, or even planning permission given for them. He became PM in July 2019, so he had time before Covid came to this country to get the plans underway.

HalcyonSea · 30/04/2021 23:59

@Bearnecessity

There is very little that warrants the utter vilification and persecution of Boris....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Funniest post on the internet for a good while, well done!
LemonRoses · 01/05/2021 07:18

I remember the ramifications of Blair and his claims of WMD in Iraq.

The thing is, whatever you think about war in Iraq and toppling a genocidal dictator, Blair didn’t lie intentionally, did he? That was born out by a full inquiry. We went into Iraq, under UN agreement, not on a unilateral or hidden decision. The thinking was transparent. Blair might have been reacting on inaccuracies and had not checked out the detail of the informal he was given in person but he didn’t lie deliberately to cover wrongdoing. He acted on information he was given by senior intelligence figures. His mistake, if any, was in believing them.

LemonRoses · 01/05/2021 07:19

@Magnificentmug12

Show me a pm whose never lied and I’ll change my vote!

(It can’t be done!)

Brown. What did Gordon Brown lie about?
Frustratedbeyondbelief · 01/05/2021 07:21

Yes I care.
However I am completely perplexed why anyone is surprised by his behaviour.

Surely if you vote for someone well known to be a very dodgy lier who then goes on to lie and behave in a dodgy way - then the real 'fault' is with those who voted for him. It is they who have lost their moral compass.

My vote is hugely important to me. I make sure I always vote AND I like to know as much as possible about the person I am voting for.

jasjas1973 · 01/05/2021 07:32

@Clavinova

jasjas1973 just seems immoral to be vaccinating healthy 40yo's in the UK, whilst countries that have super hi infection rates, don't have enough.

Did you watch Question Time last night?

Jonathan Ashworth, Labour's Shadow Health Secretary wouldn't give a straight answer about donating vaccines to other countries.

Yes, agree.

But the fact remains that CV is a global problem and whilst it might feel good that we have a great vaccination program, it won't help us one bit should versions of CV appear elsewhere that are vaccine immune.

As for your other comment... try to keep it polite.

Quincie · 01/05/2021 07:35

Whilst the PM is getting regularly lambasted for all the deaths he caused at the start there is little chance he is not going to do everything to reduce further deaths. Voters are concerned firstly about their own families before strangers abroad.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/05/2021 07:45

What did Brown lies about? Currently, various promises and statements about Scotish independence. Back then - gold reserves, basic finances and the leap into PFI (aka The Third Way), oil revenues being all the funding Scotland would need. Those campaign leaflets about pensions, and other things, being removed by the Tories.

But mostly the combination of the still inexplicable selling off of the nation's gold reserves at basement prices and the PFI deal that still haunts the UK today!

I sometimes wonder why I was still a party member after all of that!

Nith · 01/05/2021 07:51

@Magnificentmug12

Show me a pm whose never lied and I’ll change my vote!

(It can’t be done!)

You wouldn't be able to find a politician who has lied on the industrial scale Johnson goes in for, let alone the breathtaking corruption around fat government contracts for his mates and Tory donors. We really have reached a point where you simply cannot believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
mustlovegin · 01/05/2021 08:04

Voters are concerned firstly about their own families before strangers abroad

And this is right. Unfortunately many posters here seem to prioritise anyone and anywhere BUT the UK

mustlovegin · 01/05/2021 08:07

simply cannot believe anything that comes out of his mouth

Well, he may ramble on a bit but he's a doer. You can't deny that

jgw1 · 01/05/2021 08:38

@mustlovegin

Voters are concerned firstly about their own families before strangers abroad

And this is right. Unfortunately many posters here seem to prioritise anyone and anywhere BUT the UK

The best way to prioritise the safety of me and my family is to minimise the amount of coronavirus throughout the world.
It is highly likely that we have reached a point in the UK where our self interest would be best served by my not being vaccinated next week and someone in a country that has vaccinated fewer people having the does instead.
jgw1 · 01/05/2021 08:40

@mustlovegin

simply cannot believe anything that comes out of his mouth

Well, he may ramble on a bit but he's a doer. You can't deny that

What has he done?

My abiding memory is of him and his mates getting in the way of the Prime Minister of the time trying to get a workable Brexit deal, because they thought it was in their own selfish interests to vote against the policy of the party that they claimed to be members of.

Bearnecessity · 01/05/2021 08:41

Halcyon.....glad you enjoyed it, we shouldn't take ourselves too seriously after all....

Mind you I think Boris may well have the last laugh after voting this month have you seen how ahead he is in the polls......despite all this....

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2021 08:43

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 39% (-4)
LAB: 38% (+3)
LDEM: 9% (+1)
GRN: 6% (+2)

via
@Survation
, 27 - 29 Apr
Chgs. w/ 10 Apr
10:02 pm · 30 Apr 2021·TweetDeck

HarrietPierce · 01/05/2021 08:47

The Survation poll – commissioned by the Mail ahead of local and mayoral elections next week – shows that the Tories’ lead over Labour has fallen from six points in a week.

Bearnecessity · 01/05/2021 08:47

Harriet.....not the polling I am looking at.....

Pottedpalm · 01/05/2021 08:55

The more Starmer whines and postures in the wallpaper department of John Lewis, the weaker he looks. There are pressing issues to be addressed which do not include fussing about the decoration of a flat. A local headmaster ( private school) has a house provided for him and his family. Recently £75k was spent on slightly extending and refitting the kitchen. He paid nothing; it’s not his house. However, he and his wife chose the kitchen and fittings they wanted.