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To be beautiful?

588 replies

Mindgoneblanko · 14/04/2021 18:37

Aibu to want to be beautiful and to wonder what it must be like to be beautiful and know you’re beautiful? How does it feel, if you are?
Have you been aware of having more opportunities in life, people being nicer to you etc, based on your looks, or has it been detrimental in any way?
For the record, I’m not hideous, ok I’d say or was when younger, but definitely not highly attractive/very pretty/beautiful

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Tombero · 14/04/2021 23:42

Something that stuck with me was a documentary where Maureen Lipman was looking at early footage of herself. She was so shocked and said something along the lines of how beautiful she looks in the footage and what are we doing to our girls that they have no idea how beautiful they are.

I never felt attractive when young, but looking back at photos I can objectively see that I was.

Now I just have to look at my grey hair and double chins on teams calls all day Smile

User2938478 · 14/04/2021 23:45

I have always been told I am beautiful but actually no I don't think it's a good thing.
I had a great group of friends at school but other girls used to always think I would be 'stuck up' and alot of times I would be told you are actually really nice...

One of my friends made a remark that I could be a husband stealer because I am blonde..🙄
I have been in a relationship for years and I am not flirty at all...
I have noticed when I am all done up I definitely get treated differently by men, whether it be they are really curteous or beeping their horn at me Confused
But women no I don't feel like they like me as much.
When I dyed my hair darker I was definitely less attractive it didn't compliment my skin tone or my eyes but I really felt women were nicer to me.

Wearywithteens · 14/04/2021 23:47

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Cameleongirl · 14/04/2021 23:51

@Gwenhwyfar. That’s true, some people certainly age better than others. I know this thread is about women, but it happens to men too. My BILs ( not related to each other) are a year apart in age and one looks much better than the other in their early 50’s. It’s quite shocking, they were both nice-looking 20 years ago. Now you’d think one was significantly older than the other.

Member869894 · 14/04/2021 23:53

Whatever happened to Samantha Brick??

MsTSwift · 14/04/2021 23:55

Why would she be self deprecating and deliberately sit in the shadows? Why is that seen as a good thing? That might be putting people off? Dd2 is beautiful (know I am biased but am objectively told this whenever she comes up in conversation with pretty much anyone ) but she’s confident and fun and seems to have lots of nice friends.

Lampzade · 15/04/2021 00:04

No offence to anyone here, but I rarely see a woman irl who I think is beautiful. Attractive, pretty , but not head turning .

MsTSwift · 15/04/2021 00:09

Same. There’s a lot of pretty / attractive women around but real beauty so rare. Watched a documentary about Grace Kelly - she was very beautiful when young.

hannayeah · 15/04/2021 00:22

I have a relative who was so beautiful from birth on that people would stop her mom in the street. Her mother told me it was not a great situation - she’s not on only child and the other one was ignored by people. She even saw a difference in the way one daughter was treated at school vs. the other.

She herself told me it was awful, and that she was getting attention from men of all ages at a very young, uncomfortable age. Today, she actively does not make any effort - purposely on weight and does what she can to not be noticed.

I think being attractive can be nice, but there’s a point where it becomes a burden.

Squeejit · 15/04/2021 00:24

Isn’t it all in the grooming? Anyone can be beautiful with the right amount of effort. I’m talking purely physically of course - the soul is a different beast altogether.

noblegreenk · 15/04/2021 00:33

I was beautiful when I was younger. I know that sounds big headed, but it's hard not to notice because people tell you! I don't think it made life any easier tbh. I never knew if men liked me for me, or for my looks. Some women could be really bitchy and competitive too. I was quite shy back then as well, so didn't really enjoy the attention it brought. I'm definitely much plainer of face nowadays, which suits me fine. It's nice to blend in to the background.

TinselTinsel · 15/04/2021 00:40

[quote Mindgoneblanko]@FeistySheep But I find that people just gravitate towards better looking people? Even females who want to make friends, it’s an unsaid thing but I do notice people generally suck up to or want to be around great looking people. At school, the beautiful children are often favoured, whether deliberate or not and at work too. My best childhood friend and one of my closest work friends are both way above average in looks and it’s something I’ve definitely observed. It’s true though that they’ve often ended up with wankers and could do much better![/quote]
I don't find I gravitate towards "beautiful" people and I definitely do not gravitate towards people who KNOW they are beautiful. I actually find that I gravitate towards women who I feel don't have the confidence to shine for themselves. I think I just like to encourage confidence , maybe because I didn't have any when I younger and I want to give them a boost.
I also don't gravitate towards good looking men, I am again drawn to those that sit on the side lines for the same reason.
You have just taught me something about myself!

Yapplepearora · 15/04/2021 01:30

@MsTSwift. See that’s evidence that it’s all subjective, young Grace Kelly looks very plain to me

Lizzie523 · 15/04/2021 01:50

I was beautiful from late teenage to early/mid 20s. I'm late 20s now & feel I have lost that youthful beauty. I'm still pretty however.

Honestly the good outweighed the bad most of the time. I've never been single since I was 14 up until a break up just before lockdown. I felt a kind of power walking down the street. I knew people would look and they did most times.

But my entire personality never relied on it. I am funny and smart and would rather be those things over beauty. like @Adric I do have some fears about the loss of looks. I became almost obsessed with it during a period of lockdown, which i think will get better as I'm not passing in front of mirrors all day, worrying about new lines!

It's a blessing and a curse. It can open doors and studies have shown people are rated more likeable just by the way they look. But you also get unwanted attention, horrible jealousy and difficulty making friends with other women.

Lizzie523 · 15/04/2021 01:54

@Wearywithteens on that note, I remember being on holiday about aged 15 and my mum saying jealously that all the men used to look at her and now they only looked at me.

She was a very attractive woman and still is really at almost 60. But it always stuck with me I think, because the attention made me uncomfortable. I hate unwanted advances and look forward to them disappearing eventually

namechanged129456 · 15/04/2021 02:11

I wasn't noticed in the looks department at all before my late teens, but that seemed to change when approaching 20. I'm now 28, and despite my lack of academic education, (I had absent/alcoholic parents and my childhood suffered because of it) I've always had a fairly well paid, respected job. My current job pays especially well and it's granted me amazing opportunities, but it is heavily based on how I look (I model for big named brands, amongst various other roles).

Yes I think life has been somewhat good to me in more recent days because of how I look. I sometimes wonder how badly things might've turned out if I didn't have my "looks" to fall back on- thinking about this makes me very sad.

On the dating side of things- I've had celebrity admirers and dated many "established" men, but these men never really cared that much for the real me. I've dated some truly horrid men and my life was miserable for a long time because of it.

Most strangers I meet are very nice and accommodating to me, but I'm also sometimes assumed, on first impression, to be stupid.

I was very shy and anxious as a child and although i've become more confident as I've gotten older, my job/looks hasn't completely broken me out of my quiet/anxious personality.

I guess we use what we're given. I am now planning for the future. I can't rely on my looks forever, and that scares me, but it's also strangely comforting(?!). I envy those who have education and/or artistic skill. I'm sometimes insecure about my lack of education, so I'm in the process of a foundation year at a university and I'm learning how to play piano.

I've witnessed that quite often, "privileges" aren't always what we think they are, and being "beautiful" can attract many bad things. Above all, I believe that being a good person and offering the world kindness and love is way more important than looks, education, wealth and materialistic things- the lure of these things are not what life's true riches are about. :)

Rahri · 15/04/2021 03:02

@Adric

Name changed for this, obvious reasons! But I am one of those awful, conceited people who is aware I am beautiful. Since you asked, OP, here’s the warts and all truth. Will be long!

I knew from very young that I was attractive, women would coo over me at school, people would come up to my mum in the street and comment. My little sister and I use to laugh about it, but I will admit that as I got older I secretly got a bit conceited. I remember being in dance class aged 9 and hearing the head of the school say to my teacher ‘put Adric at the front, it doesn’t matter if she gets the footwork a bit wrong’ for a routine for the end of year performance. I was very smug, remember smugly looking around the class and thinking I was the prettiest, going home and posing in the mirror that night. Definitely a bit of an arrogant little girl.

Then I hit secondary school. By year 8, the attention was relentless: the boys at my school frightened me so badly I would hide in the toilets at lunch. They’d throw things at me in class, slap my arse when walking past, make comments, pass me crude notes. One of the popular, confident boys kept cornering me and making comments that made me very uncomfortable. As a result, I started binge eating, and by year 9 I’d gained 3 stone. The comments didn’t totally stop, but they ceased. For the next 10 years, I was overweight. I would still get attention from men, but much less, so it was easier to handle. I found being overweight very much a safety blanket, and it meant that I was ‘pretty’ but not so much that it drew aggressive attention. As a result, I was able to date. I met my husband, and weighed 14 stone when we got together. He’s very sporty, and in the years following I naturally lost weight again through a combination of feeling comfortable and following his lifestyle.

Because I’d spent a decade getting confident and figuring myself out, I dealt with the attention much better once I got thin. Sad to say, aggressive men also respect a wedding ring more than they respect a woman saying no, so I get comments etc. but they are easy to brush off. I still struggle with the fact that I abused my body for a decade, have stretch marks etc, but I also don’t know if I’d have met my lovely husband if I’d stayed on the path I was on, so I can’t be totally sad about it.

Onto your main question- generally, being beautiful is great. The comments are nice. Random strangers say nice things, women as well as men. I can compare treatment and you are definitely treated better when you’re thin/attractive. Society celebrates me now in a way it didn’t used to, and sometimes I resent that a bit. But I also get discounts from workmen, people (men) are eager to help with things. I get away with stuff more. Women it’s very divided- they are either lovely without me having to try, or horrendously cruel and jealous. Luckily I have enough friends already that it doesn’t matter to me, although it can sting. I also have an older brother, and though I would never say this to him, he treated me a little worse when I was overweight. I will always judge him a bit for that, but then, he’s very good looking too, so is probably more aware of looks as a result. My mum and little sister never changed how they were with me. My sister is very pretty, nicer than both me and my brother, has a lot of friends etc. I often wish I was just normal ‘pretty’ like her, but deep down I know that’s not really true. I value what I have, sadly, and I don’t want to lose it.

Day to day, I like my looks, and it’s nice to look in the mirror and like what I see. I’ve been approached twice by modelling agencies, but they lose interest when they find out I’m not in my twenties. It’s still nice, though, and I’ve had some great stuff from it- flight upgrades happened a lot, and hotel suites being bumped up, I’ve also been invited into VIP areas and had a quite famous/handsome man give me his number. I also relish getting ID’d or having strangers come up and compliment my hair etc. Shallow but true! Ashamed to say that I do pose in the mirror sometimes and take selfies, but I don’t have social media or share them. Very much a self indulgent hobby!

On the downside, I’m terrified of losing my face. If I have a bad looks day I can get very needy with my husband, ‘do I still look ok’ etc. I’m very aware of getting old and I hate it. Deep down, I still believe the best thing I have to offer is my face, and what will I do when I lose it? It terrifies me, and I spent half an hour a day on my skin, hair and bodycare. I also panic if I miss a workout. I don’t think I’ll ever be 100% secure in myself. My looks take up a huge chunk of my time, mentally more than anything, which is ridiculous, because they have a very fleeting effect on the outside world. The people who love me do so regardless. My sister once said to me, a few years back when we were dressed up for a wedding, ‘I forget how beautiful you are sometimes, because you’re just you’. That comment stuck with me, and I remind myself often nobody but me cares how I look, that it just becomes a part of me. But it’s hard not to dwell on it. When society values something and you have it, you become so scared of losing it. I judge myself for being shallow, but would also be devastated to wake up with a different face.

Aware how awful that all sounds but there you go! That’s my experience. I probably won’t come back to the thread as I’m sure I’ll get torn to pieces, but I saw the question asked and felt like answering. It’s very taboo to acknowledge you are pretty, let alone beautiful, so I don’t ever say it out loud! I guess that’s what message boards are for.

This was an incredibly brave and honest and interesting answer. Thank you for sharing your experience and I hope that you can still be happy as you get older, you sound like a very self-reflective person with a lot of kindness. We all have our flaws and vanity isn't the worst of them by a long way.
Rahri · 15/04/2021 03:03

@supermoonrising

I think it's a distinction that some women like to make "oh she's pretty but not Beautiful" that men don't really make at all.
What is the difference in your opinion, and others? That would be really interesting. As I'm almost certain the answers won't be the same because beauty is so subjective.
Josette77 · 15/04/2021 03:57

I get told I'm beautiful. Some days I feel I look pretty, most days no. I have suffered from body dysmorphia for two decades now, and have days I feel hideous.

I know men have had their own ideas about me. When I was 19 I was briefly engaged to a millionaire. I thankfully pulled my head out of my ass in time. He had a very clear vision of our future and I'm not sure my opinions were ever part of it. But I haven't ever had women be mean to me. I've always had great friends. Sometimes they comment on my body, but it's always kind and I don't think anyone is jealous of me. They have their own amazing stuff going on. My looks don't compare to their talents and brains. My women friends are my family and we are all so different. I often look at my friends and think how pretty they are but I think intelligence and humor make people far more attractive than a pretty face.

SavedDownTheWell · 15/04/2021 03:57

A friend of mine from high school is and was both very pretty and had something of a 'presence'. I am average looking at best and marmite in terms of personality.

She was never short of attention, definitely given a lot more leeway in terms of behaviour and generally able to charm her way through life in many ways. She's a great friend so although I did envy her at times growing up, our friendship was solid.

However, I did get to see the (surprisingly numerous) downsides of beauty through close friendship with her. She was insecure, very conscious of ageing and the day her looks might fade (leaving her without what she acknowledged to be her main means of navigating the world), she received a lot of very unwanted and persistent attention, was able to get almost any guy she wanted but had a couple of later-in-life relationships where she was essentially used as a trophy for a bit and then discarded, she's had women either fawn over her or despise her and as we've grown older and she's had a bit of panic about her looks, single men I know have started to comment that although she's beautiful they think she's a bit self-absorbed and neurotic and wouldn't want to form a relationship with her (which could of course just be sour grapes if they don't think they stand a chance!)

There have been lots of times over the years when I've wistfully wondered what it would be like to look like her, but when I look at our situations with a cool head and in the round, I genuinely think that 'average-looking' may, on balance, be the better deal re setting you up for actual happiness.

Parkerwhereareyou · 15/04/2021 06:24

I don't know if this has been mentioned though (such a long thread!!) - takes forever to understand that your effect on others needs to be recognised, understood and managed. This is a skill.

Also it does mean some mothers at the school gate can be a bit hostile. I keep my distance and am always scrupulously nice, that's all I can do. My real friends are the ones who embrace me and are emotionally intelligent enough to know I'm no threat.

InsanelyPregnantAndSore · 15/04/2021 06:56

I think I’ve had the best kind of ‘beautiful’ experience tbh. I was very overweight and less pretty until my early 20’s then suddenly lost it all totally changed (puberty huh) Grin

I feel like an AH saying it but I’m very pretty. It’s wasn’t uncommon for me to get fully gawped at in public. A man once walked into a street bollard whilst staring at me and I’ve had a fair few strangers approach me randomly to tell me I’m ‘classically beautiful’. I did a little modelling and TV work but it wasn’t for me. It’s a very charmed version of life when you’re attractive. People are generally nicer and want to engage with you more, there are more opportunities and you feel like people think you’re special. You’re also constantly awarded points for not being an AH which everyone sort of assumes you will be before they talk to you.

The number of times I heard ‘wow I didn’t think you’d be this nice’ ...etc and I was like Hmm so you kinda get extra points for very little.

Because I’d experienced life without the rose tinted glasses I could always tell the kind of people who wouldn’t have given me the time of day before. There’s a certain type of successful superficial person who likes to collect attractive friends like trump cards but they value you entirely based on looks. I avoided them like the plague.

I’m cracking on for 30 now with a toddler and one on the way, some days I don’t even get chance to shower and certainly don’t prune myself like I used to. I’m still attractive but not ‘stop and stare’ and I’m fine with that. Had I always been gorgeous I think pregnancy/young children would have hit me much harder

TwitOrTwat · 15/04/2021 07:24

allfurcoatnoknickers
I'm a big believer in “There are no ugly women, only lazy ones

Am I the only one who is genuinely perplexed as to how "not being lazy" is meant to change the features one is born with?

Primark872 · 15/04/2021 07:31

For goodness' sake, you haven't "lost your looks" at 30. That's a really worrying way of thinking

60sbird · 15/04/2021 07:31

I have been told that I am beautiful, I found it lost me friends growing up through jealousy, especially when their boyfriends/husbands would point out my looks, I have a few real friends, my partner tells me every day how beautiful I am, my granddaughter saw a picture of me as a teen and said wow nan you were really pretty, oh and I’ve never worn makeup, my mum wouldn’t allow (she was the most jealous of my looks even though she was very beautiful herself and was a model when she was younger) I am bow 54 and still don’t know how to apply makeup. I have sons and the older two would often be asked if I was their wife especially if we had one of their daughters with us