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To be beautiful?

588 replies

Mindgoneblanko · 14/04/2021 18:37

Aibu to want to be beautiful and to wonder what it must be like to be beautiful and know you’re beautiful? How does it feel, if you are?
Have you been aware of having more opportunities in life, people being nicer to you etc, based on your looks, or has it been detrimental in any way?
For the record, I’m not hideous, ok I’d say or was when younger, but definitely not highly attractive/very pretty/beautiful

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 14/04/2021 22:30

How would you separate pretty from beautiful? I'm intrigued.

Subjective interpretation.

Conventional beauty IMO can be quite boring. I thought that in her youth Diana Rigg was one of the sexiest and most beautiful of women. It wasn't just her face: there was a whole aura of confidence, charisma and sheer presence about the woman, and the minute she spoke her voice could hold you mesmerised.

Doris Day projected a similar confidence and charisma but in an entirely different way. And her smile could light a room up.

Individuality is what I think makes beauty, not identikit Hollywood clones. Ruth Wilson isn't what might be described as a conventional beauty, but she's unique. The same is true of Stevie Nicks and Edie Sedgwick.

To me, beauty isn't beauty if it's boring. Which is why beauty is very much in the eye of the beholder.

CatherinedeBourgh · 14/04/2021 22:32

I was very beautiful when I was young, particularly as a teenager.

It was a curse. I felt like prey. I was always surrounded by men, and I was scared to even look them in the eye, let alone smile at them, as anything would get taken as an invitation to whatever.

Then people thought I was stuck up for not being friendly. When I became good friends with women they always told me how surprised they were that I was actually really nice. Even though I was never unfriendly with women, only men (unless the women came onto me, which some did).

People always assumed I wasn’t hard working, because why would I bother. I could always become a model, couldn’t I? (no, I’m only 5’4)

At work people tended to assume I was as senior as I was at my age because I was shagging the boss (no, I was good at my job).

I am so much happier now I am middle aged and unremarkable.

I look people in the eye, I smile, I have little chats with randoms in the street, I love it!

masterofthechef · 14/04/2021 22:33

my hr people had a period of hiring very pretty but generally not suited for the role and left quickly .when i challenged this was told that they helped sales because the clients were mostly men!!!
Don't have that issue myself as have been told i have a face that art students would love Sad

5128gap · 14/04/2021 22:36

I always thought being beautiful was very rare, but if this threads anything to go by stunning beauties are a dime a dozen!
Perhaps we non beauties will start being valued for being in comparatively short supply.

TheMotherlode · 14/04/2021 22:36

Not sure I was ever ‘beautiful’ but was definitely attractive in my 20s and found that people (men) were just generally very helpful and used to give me free things, but especially food for some reason. I was sort of girl next doorsy though, not beautiful enough to intimidate other women which I think was probably a good thing. I have a friend who is properly gorgeous and she had a really tough time when we were in our 20s, women just hated her and she was bullied in every job. Men used to lose their minds around her but none seemed to really want to get to know her.

Devlesko · 14/04/2021 22:41

Do you not find that the most beautiful, pretty, attractive etc don't actually know they are.
They aren't posing for a magazine, they are probably on a photo taken naturally.

BlueBlancmange · 14/04/2021 22:42

When I was younger I was sometimes told I was beautiful, sometimes average and sometimes ugly. Oh well.

Diddumz · 14/04/2021 22:44

I was quite attractive in my younger days. I had lots of long, naturally blonde hair and was very slim.

Of course, I enjoyed the compliments but I didn't enjoy unwanted attention from creepy men who had a fetish for women with hair like mine. It happened a lot and I didn't have a single nice boyfriend until I met my husband.

I was also assumed to be dim and shallow, especially at work.

I suffered hugely from anxiety and depression and don't remember my youth being happy or calm.

I have been treated for mental illness since I was 25 and I am now 51.

My hair is now very average and going grey and I am a stone or two overweight. I am happier though. I do miss the compliments though!

Iamthewombat · 14/04/2021 22:46

I’m just foxy enough. Not in the model league, but I know that I’m very good looking.

It makes life easier, for sure. Dating was easier, work is easier because male colleagues are more helpful to pretty women. I’m 49 so I know that it won’t last forever, but I make the most of it. If there’s a Teams call and I’m on camera, I know that male colleagues will be more helpful than when I’m not. It is quite bizarre actually. Like, it’s so predictable. I got a really good senior finance job a few years ago because the CFO fancied me. I’m good at what I do, but I know that’s why I got it. Did I feel bad? No. I didn’t encourage his attention.

I’ve very seldom had grief from other women because I’m not supermodel gorgeous and I’m not flirtatious at all. Just foxy enough.

I love summer too (like a PP) because I can get my arms and legs out and that’s when I look my best. I like nice clothes and shoes and I don’t dress down to avoid attention. I still turn heads and still get stopped in the street by men telling me I’m gorgeous, although not as often as in my thirties. I feel extremely lucky, because that’s what it is. Sheer luck.

The thing I always really enjoyed about being good looking was going on nights out with my friends, with my glam on, and having more fun because more people want to talk to you. It was palpable: men checking you out. It gives you a sense of power.

Cameleongirl · 14/04/2021 22:58

@Iamthewombat. “Just foxy enough” that’s a great way of putting it.🤣.

Stellaroses · 14/04/2021 23:01

I'm not model material or anything but I am often told I'm attractive.
I have always had "options" in terms of partners. Friends also easy to find and I agree wth someone above who said people do just seem to be attracted to me. Just writing this as I think it and not making an effort to be self-deprecating so sorry if sounds big-headed! Often I will have had a totally innocuous conversation with someone in passing and then be told later that other person was "charmed" or "besotted".
It does make me more confident in general (especially walking into a room) but I'm not thinking about it, admiring myself, tossing my hair back etc!! In fact I try not to think about it. I don't wearloads of make up but I do a bit of concealer/mascara.
Men have not treated me badly though. I have never been dumped (well since age 14!) and I've also not really ever been rejected. I've had fairly steady relationships with very sweet, respectable boys/men and a couple of women until I met my (quiet, shy and gentle) DH of 15years.
Don't think it has had any bearing on getting jobs or doing well at work.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 14/04/2021 23:04

I grew up being told I was hideous, fat, massive arse, had a stupid upturned nose (when the term 'ski slope nose' was in the press for the first time, there were shrieks of laughter at how stupid American women would pay thousands for a squashed nose like yours) and a face like a cat, ugly freckles all over my face, my eyes weren't a proper brown and my hair looked like a Squirrel had been drowned in a muddy puddle. There weren't any photos taken of me because I wasn't worth the cost of the film.

People were mean to me, girls in particular, but some of the boys were horrible as well and I ended up in relationships where I wasn't allowed out 'because everybody knows what you'll be like' and I was pressurised to not wear makeup, jewellery or anything that drew attention, whether by shape, cut or colour. In at least a couple of jobs, I was absolutely victimised by women I thought were the most amazing looking, lucky women because they looked incredible; tall, slim, blonde, tanned, full breasts, long legs. I figured they didn't like ugly people. I did have a really good looking boyfriend at one point, but he seemed to be more worried about what people would think if they saw him with me, as though he 'could do better' (even though that was what a few people had said to me about him and I didn't believe them more fool me ).

Somebody I went to school with sent me a photo out of the blue from when I was seventeen and had been out with my friends from college for a day, so my hair was raggedy from salt water and I was wearing a t-shirt and a pair of long shorts borrowed from one of the lads in the group because I didn't wear short as I was so fat.

Fuck.

I had deep red-brown, slightly wavy long hair, large green eyes, golden freckles and a small, slightly upturned nose. And, absolutely honestly, I had the shape of a model - I would have been a size 6 at most with a natural 19 inch waist. It was like looking at a photo of somebody else, because I barely recognised what I was looking at.

I don't know whether people were mean to me because I looked that good (but had absolutely no idea about it) and wanted to bring me down a peg or five, but what I saw in that old, blurry photo of me was a beautiful teenaged girl who was told by everybody that she was ugly.

I showed DP the photo, thinking he wouldn't believe it could be me. He said 'Of course that's you. It's obvious to everybody how gorgeous you were and still are - remember when we first met and I kept making excuses to go and talk to somebody else, then coming back again every time I saw you? I was running away because I couldn't believe you were talking to me and didn't want to make an idiot of myself by asking you out - they were telling me 'Don't be stupid, she likes you, go back and talk to her' - and when I picked you up for that date, I didn't smile and say 'Wow' to be nice - you looked incredible in that dress'.

Still don't feel like it, even though I know now I was once upon a time - but I suppose I scrub up alright for an old, fat bird. And DP's gone from looking like a startled teenaged girl with his goth hair to giving Stanley Tucci a run for his money. So I'm doing alright with it.

Whymrsrobinson · 14/04/2021 23:11

Neverdropyourmooncup what a lovely story.

Stellaroses · 14/04/2021 23:13

Oh I was going to add about my "luck" with nice partners - I am lucky in that I have grrat taste in a partner, never liked the bad boy, never went for appearance; like brains and personality, and was rather predatory - so there was chance of them being scared to talk to me!

Yapplepearora · 14/04/2021 23:16

My DD18 is conventionally attractive and wishes she wasn’t. She’s been sexually harassed by both a driving instructor and a grown man when she was on an apprenticeship, both when she was 17. She now deliberately dresses down with her new driving instructor, doesn’t straighten her hair, wears the frumpiest clothes she has etc.

Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2021 23:18

@the80sweregreat

Men don't seem as jealous of other good looking men do they? I think their egos tell them ' I look like that anyway' and just let it all hang out! Men do have a different mind set about it.
I disagree there. They're pretty aware of who the very good looking men around them are. They just don't talk about looks so openly.
Yapplepearora · 14/04/2021 23:20

@Plumtree391.

I had a friend in my 20s who was absolutely stunning, she did freelance modelling. The type that when she walked into a room heads would turn.

And yet she was treated like complete and utter shit in every relationship she had. The rest of the group had found long term partners by 30, some were married, but she never managed it. She’d mostly get dumped or left for another significantly less attractive woman within a month. Of course looks aren’t everything but she was absolutely lovely as well and always put 100% in with every relationship. We’ve still talk occasionally and she’s never managed to settle down with anybody.

Teddy1970 · 14/04/2021 23:21

@Cameleongirl

It's interesting how people's perception of beauty differs - several posters have mentioned Angelina Jolie but I've personally never thought of her as especially beautiful. Not idea why, I just don't see it.

Relationship-wise, I'm not sure that beauty is always the bonus it's made out to be. One of my friends (45) is a former model. She was in a controlling marriage (her ex didn't trust her not to cheat) and her current long term partner is superficial and not a patch on my DH, nor those of our other mutual friends, tbh. I'm not sure that her partners really appreciate her as a person. Sad

One of DD's friends (16) is also noticeably beautiful and has an awful bf that her Mum's quite concerned about. He's controlling and tries to prevent her from doing anything without him.

I know those are only two RL examples, but it's made me appreciate being reasonably attractive, as opposed to beautiful. I've never been treated like someone's trophy and it's certainly too late for that to happen now. Grin

Same here, I look at Angelina Jolie and feel nothing, I don't get the fuss about her looks to be honest, but it proves that beauty really is in the eye of the beholder.
rarari · 14/04/2021 23:22

Beauty and attractiveness are different thungs I think?

I think someone can be very attractive but not necessarily beautiful.

Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2021 23:24

@rarari

The posters saying they are ugly I'm sure you're not. I don't think I've even seen a truly ugly person.
If some are beautiful, then some must be ugly.
rarari · 14/04/2021 23:31

I have been pretty lucky with men/partners. After a few awkward instances in my teens with boys who I thought were friends trying it on I did learn to be more reserved around the opposite sex plus I've never been interested in the bad boy etc I'm also good at standing up for myself (probably because I was born & raised in a rough part of London to immigrant parents) & I'm tall. At uni I met DH & been together ever since, he still gives me flutters.

I have experienced what pp's have said with DH friends getting a little friendly however I'm not sure that's due to looks just that some men are dicks.

rarari · 14/04/2021 23:32

If some are beautiful, then some must be ugly.

I guess but I think everyone has at least one redeeming feature.

Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2021 23:39

@Cameleongirl

What I find interesting is when people look better as they get older! I genuinely know a couple of people who look better in their 40's than they did in their 20's, probably because they know what suits them, have taken care of their skin and hair, etc. They were nice-looking at 25 but turn heads at 45. It's not really the same as beauty, I suppose it's confidence that makes them stand out now. Smile
Might not just be confident. There might be actual physical 'improvements' as well. For example, as we age we lose fat in our cheeks. It's a bad thing really, but some people who used to have chubby cheeks might look better with this. Obviously, people in general are slimmer when younger, but there may be people who look after their bodies more as they get older so look fitter and slimmer at an older age. The other thing is probably comparison with people their own age. They may have not been attractive compared to their peers at 25, but then at 45 many of their peers may have changed more so they look comparatively more attractive and the expectations aren't as high either.
Gwenhwyfar · 14/04/2021 23:39

"I’ll tell you who I think looks better as they’ve aged- Nicole Kidman!

She looked so plan when she was younger now she’s gorgeous at 50+"

That'll be all the treatments/operations!

MsTSwift · 14/04/2021 23:41

I think it’s very very rare. When I lived in London friends saw Julia Roberts and Elle McPherson separately randomly at the cinema / in a shop and both said they were just amazingly other worldly beautiful almost luminous. They noticed them before clocking they were famous and familiar.

I saw Keeley Hawes in a shoe shop we both mid twenties and thought the same. Think people like that become famous as they stand out from the rest of us.