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Never invited back?

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Lockdownlumpy · 06/04/2021 23:17

We have some couple friends that we have known for around 10 years. Over the years we've all moved house a few times. During a discussion with my OH today we realised that although we have hosted the other couple many times for drinks/lunch/dinner/ parties in all our houses (obv not much the last year thanks to covid) we have only been to their house once, for a birthday party. Whenever they suggest a catch up they either want to meet out somewhere or they say they are happy to come to us. Their house is a similar size to ours, nicely decorated and they are tidy people so I doubt they aren't inviting because of the house.
We get on well and enjoy their company but starting to wonder if it's odd that the invitations are never reciprocated.
Anyone else have friends like this?

OP posts:
Odile13 · 07/04/2021 10:55

I can see both sides of this. My preference is to meet friends out somewhere - go for drinks, dinner etc. It’s not a money issue as I will always pay my way. I don’t like hosting people in our home.

I have a friend who must love hosting at her home as pre-Covid she would always want us to come round and spend the weekend. I imagine she wonders why I say no / don’t reciprocate the invitations but it’s because I prefer to meet out for dinner and don’t want to spend the whole weekend at somebody else’s home or invite people over to mine.

WombatChocolate · 07/04/2021 10:58

N4, yes it’s about reciprocating friendship. There are lots of ways to do this. The people we have a problem with are those who are leeches and take take take and don’t reciprocate in any sense.

Those who don’t host might take a cake to a friend or they might pay for a takeaway at the house of the friend, or treat people to a meal out. They might babysit or do the driving and give everyone a lift. They might buy the coffeee and cake on a day out. There’s all kind of ways to reciprocate.

I think it is selfish though of people who simply say ‘I don’t like hosting and don’t feel comfortable with it’ and particularly those who just don’t like the effort involved in getting their home ready or preparing food, or who want their personal space kept personal all the time........but are orefectly happy to let others make the effort, spend the money and are very happy to go into their space.

Some people on this thread are selfish and not reciprocating friendship. It does make me wonder what they are bringing to the ‘party’ and why others keep carrying them. Perhaps it is scintillating company and they are the life and sole of the party. Or perhaps they used to reciprocate. Or perhaps their friendships won’t last much longer. People don’t need things to be equal or reciprocation to always be done in identical ways, but totally one-sided relationships don’t tend to last long.

WombatChocolate · 07/04/2021 11:02

Soul....not sole! Terrible!

1sunnyday23 · 07/04/2021 11:03

My best friend is like this. We have a group of three families and two of us always host. The other couple openly say they hate hosting and feel they can't do it was well as we can.

To be honest I prefer it as they are terrible cooks !! And they are always happy to contribute to meals together, food or money, but I does get to a point where we realise we have not seen their house for a year or more !

We are best friends so it doesn't bother us, as we are all honest and open and can say it's your turn etc

N4ish · 07/04/2021 11:06

I'm definitely the sole of the party @WombatChocolate!

This thread has been useful as well as a bit unsettling. I'm going to make sure I do a bit more to reciprocate and show I appreciate the friendships even though I'm not in a position to host.

HikeForward · 07/04/2021 11:08

Yes, but I stopped hosting them eventually as I find hosting and cooking for large numbers stressful too (plus expensive and hard work doing all the prep and cleaning after). I thought they were selfish and tight not to reciprocate. Even takeaway pizzas at their place or inviting us for pub meals out (on them) would have been fine, but the fact they always wanted to come to ours or for a walk made me dislike them.

hieasterbunny · 07/04/2021 11:09

I feel like I have found my people on this thread.
I HATE hosting! I still do it, but it completely fills me with dread.
Not that i'm a bad cook, but some of my extended family are really really fussy eaters (only like really plain foods, a lot of which I consider junk food). I feel resentful that I have to cater for their limited tastes by making dull and unhealthy food!
I prefer to do a bbq, coffee & cake or else just go to theirs! We do bring always bring dessert/nibbles or offer to pay for a takeaway occasionally if visiting.
I also feel paranoid/judged that my house isn't tidy/clean enough or that we don't have enough plates/wine glasses/serving spoons etc. I think this is more my perfectionism than anything but it stresses me out. My OH is very laissez-faire and would gladly invite anyone over at the drop of the hat, we have had quite a few arguments about this!

AnnaSW1 · 07/04/2021 11:10

I hate entertaining people at home too but will happily pay for us all to eat out

littlepattilou · 07/04/2021 11:14

@N4ish

I'm definitely the sole of the party @WombatChocolate!

Sorry, couldn't resist. Grin

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 07/04/2021 11:15

I hate hosting.

I've got a friend who loves it. Whenever I suggest going out, she suggests coming over. I don't want to come over, I want to go out! I duly go over but certainly don't take lavish gifts as I'm already compromising.

Another friend doesn't like hosting, but struggles to find childcare. When I go there, I always ask what she's cooking and what I can bring and every now and then buy us a takeaway.

Itsalonghaul · 07/04/2021 11:16

I am so happy to find this thread too, and amazed so many others feel the same. Really wish I could host comfortably without batting an eyelid. Intensely jealous of people that can do that!

I honestly hate it, dread it and would do anything to avoid it!!!!! BUT I force myself, have a slug of wine, make sure I am ultra organised and do most things outside when I can!

N4 why not pick a lovely sunny day, and then invite your friends to a BBQ or beautiful picnic in a beauty spot? You could make it super lovely and memorable with a few special touches. In your case I think it is fine to say we have a tiny flat, so wish we could invite you over but can you join us for dinner at restaurant x, picnic or BBQ at xx park on a warm day instead, as we would like to say thank you for your much appreciated hospitality. I don't think people mind what their friends do, or how they do it as long as they make an effort of some kind.

It is the types that accept everything, yet never do anything back that really gets my/our collective nerves.

longestlurkerever · 07/04/2021 11:18

Honestly though, when I host it doesn't cross my mind to resent people eating more than they bring. I enjoy good food and wine so will generally spend a fair bit but it's my treat and I would only invite people if I'm happy to share.

Ivy455 · 07/04/2021 11:18

@hieasterbunny We have one wine glass and two champagne flutes ha! The rest broke. On the rare occasion we have people over for drinks they end up drinking out of random mugs and plastic kids glasses with swimming fish at the bottom!

N4ish · 07/04/2021 11:23

Yes, good idea @Itsalonghaul. Need to think of some things I can do and maybe just be more honest about the reasons we can't host.

SuperintendentHastings · 07/04/2021 11:47

To the PP who suggested you shouldn't accept if you don't wish to reciprocate, that's easier said than done. People can be quite pushy and determined, especially if they have planned their table to have a certain number of couples, and need you to balance up the numbers. I'd much rather not accept but sometimes get bullied into it.

Ah come on that's a bit of a cop out @haliborangemrmen. If your friends 'bully' you into accepting then they're not really your friends at all are they? I have a friend that I always used to ask and she said that it just wasn't her thing, so that's fine! Stop making silly excuses and just tell them politely. Keep repeating it until they hear you.

HumunaHey · 07/04/2021 11:48

This thread has made me realise it's much better to decline an invitation rather than accept if I then don't want to host people for dinner in return.

There was me thinking I was polite in accepting the invitation,kind of like if somebody threw a party and no one wanted to attend. Not saying I don't enjoy attending but I just know I rarely want to reciprocate so would rather save them the trouble.

WombatChocolate · 07/04/2021 12:00

Humana, it’s a shame if you don’t want to reciprocate friendship in an form at all. This thread shows that people understand not everyone can host, but everyone can reciprocate friendship and find a way to do that that works for them.

You dont have to have people over. You can take them out for coffee and cake or for a meal. You could arrange to meet in a park and take the picnic for everyone.

Are you saying you just don’t want to maintain the friendships or engage with people?

I guess there are some people who genuinely don’t want to engage with others, but I think they are few and far between. Most do like having friends even if they prefer a pretty small circle of one or two. Even those friendships require some work and time and effort. Some might never involve going to each others’ houses, but most will at some point. As N4 said, for some people it’s just a case of spotting where the offering friendship has become a np it one-sided and finding ways that work for you to show friendship back.

And it doesn’t have to be totally equal. It’s more nuanced than people must host back for every time they accept an invitation. Some friendships are based more around one person showing hospitality....but the key thing is that everyone involved in the friendship does make some effort and show friendship in some form.

When people think about it, sometimes they realise they have been to their friend or family members the last 10 times. They realise they have been there and never once taken the meal or invited the friends or family back, or to meet somewhere else where they might offer even a coffee. They have let their friend babysit their child or have them for a sleepover 15 times but never ever even offered to take other child to the Parkersburg once.

Things don’t have to be totally equal and people don’t need to feel they can’t accept a dinner invitation because they were invited there last time or they won’t be having them back. It’s not as black and white and counted up as that. It’s simply that if you’ve been somewhere 4 times it’s probably time to be having a thought about how to reciprocate friendship. It could literally be asking the others to meet in a park and saying you’ll bring a picnic.

But I guess some people perhaps feel that they don’t want to offer any reciprocity. Suggesting a picnic isn’t something they want or do although they have been happy to go for a meal 4 or 5 times. That does sound a rather uneven friendship to me. I wouldn’t be counting but I would notice if after a decent period of time, it was very much always me making the effort and the other person never even attempted to make an effort.

GrumpyHoonMain · 07/04/2021 12:04

I think because you have a problem with it, you should call it out. Ask them when it would be ok to pop round for a garden meet up and arrange it. Seems like they want you to make all the effort in the friendship and that would piss me off

Erictheavocado · 07/04/2021 12:06

I am a very uncomfortable host. I am a decent enough cook, but definitely not a restaurant chef, which seems to be expected with some people. And whilst people say 'we come to see tou, not your house, ' I still feel judged. My house is definitely not 'stylish' - no grey walls or laminate flooring here - my furniture is old, some in need of replacement, and whilst bathroom and kitchen are clean and functional, they are both old and tatty. At some point we may have the money to have them refitted, but not yet. So no, I really don't feel comfortable as a host, except for dcs and their partners. As far as accepting invitations goes, to be honest, I much prefer to go out rather than to other people's houses. When I accept an invitation, I always make sure to take high end flowers, wine, chocolates etc. If we invite people out, we expect to pay.
Sorry if that makes me a 'taker'.

HumunaHey · 07/04/2021 12:14

@WombatChocolate I mean reciprocating like for like (hosting dinner because friends have). I think I do plenty in other forms of reciprication.

It's a shame if people feel pressured into returning the exact same favour. It would make the friendship feel pretty transactional.

WombatChocolate · 07/04/2021 12:16

I don’t think like for like is required.

Friendship can be shown in many forms. It’s nice to experience it in different ways. It’s the other person making an effort that matters.

longestlurkerever · 07/04/2021 12:31

Humana I genuinely would hate it if people turned down an invitation purely because they didn't want to/couldn't reciprocate. I've seen this about children's party invitations too. That's mad! All the kids lose out because of some weird assumed resentment that likely doesn't exist at all.

lastqueenofscotland · 07/04/2021 12:40

Some people hate hosting
I like having one or two friends round for a chat and a few drinks. I hate it if I’m also expected to host their dullard husbands or badly behaved children.
I don’t like having to cajole people to leave
People often make a real mess

Tbf I’d rather meet at a bar or restaurant than go to someone else’s house either.

OverTheRubicon · 07/04/2021 12:44

@Ivy455

Oh I absolutely HATE having people over at my house, like actually despise it. I am that person who would just spend the entire time washing dishes or putting things in the recycling bin instead of enjoying myself. It's not that I don't want to buy in food or drinks, I just find it so stressful. Your friends may be the same so try not to take it too personally.
It's not about taking it personally so much as having it not occur to them that it's quite a bit of work and money (and yes, stress) and unless you are amazing company or do babysitting or something the friendship is very one sided.
IJustWantSomeBees · 07/04/2021 12:48

@Itsalonghaul

Do they think we should be grateful for their esteemed company and that is repayment enough?!

^ this!

Somehow I don't anyone's company is so good and so sparkling that they get a free pass to go to other people's houses, eat their food, drink their wine, enjoy a fine evening at someone else's expense and never feel any inclination to invite anyone back...

Me and my friends only meet for each other's company. If you aren't able to enjoy socialising with your friends unless you're exchanging dinner parties then I would consider whether you actually like them or not. It's also not a 'free pass', you only go to someone's house when they invite you.

OP I hate hosting. My friends all know this which is why we usually go out to dinner/drinks instead of going to someone's house. Occasionally they want to host me at theirs and I love to go because they enjoy doing it, they know I will not be reciprocating though and because they're actually my friends they have no desire to make me do something they know makes me feel uncomfortable. That being said, if I am going to a friend's house I will bring something with me, usually the alcohol for the evening or I'll bring a side dish for the meal.