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Never invited back?

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Lockdownlumpy · 06/04/2021 23:17

We have some couple friends that we have known for around 10 years. Over the years we've all moved house a few times. During a discussion with my OH today we realised that although we have hosted the other couple many times for drinks/lunch/dinner/ parties in all our houses (obv not much the last year thanks to covid) we have only been to their house once, for a birthday party. Whenever they suggest a catch up they either want to meet out somewhere or they say they are happy to come to us. Their house is a similar size to ours, nicely decorated and they are tidy people so I doubt they aren't inviting because of the house.
We get on well and enjoy their company but starting to wonder if it's odd that the invitations are never reciprocated.
Anyone else have friends like this?

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HikeForward · 07/04/2021 15:43

When I was part of an NCT group we took turns to host the other couples and babies. When it was our turn I was too stressed with colicky baby to cook, so DH ordered a range of buffet style food from a local restaurant, it cost a lot but everyone liked it and it arrived hot and fresh just as the guests came. We provided all the drinks, wine etc. We were in a rental at the time but I tried to make it as inviting as possible with a huge soft baby mat, lots of toys, sensory lights, bubble machine, floor cushions etc.

When it was another couple’s turn they invited us all to their very fancy new house and talked a lot about how much their progressional coffee machine cost, their bespoke oven, their ice maker on the giant freezer. They asked everyone to ‘bring a bottle or a few beers’ and she cooked vegetarian dhal (she is not vegetarian and she is English, she told me afterwards she chose that dish as it was the cheapest thing to cook). They were not short of money at all. It was rather an uncomfortable gathering as there was nowhere to put the babies down as we were all stuck in her fancy kitchen diner while she cooked the dhal. For some reason she didn’t provide any rice or bread with it either! (That may have been an oversight but she wasn’t apologetic in the slightest, and got offended not everyone wanted to try it!)

The only couple who didn’t invite the group over and cater well was a couple who owned big indoor dogs. As people were nervous about big dogs and tiny babies they invited us all to the local pub instead and picked up the bill!

longestlurkerever · 07/04/2021 15:44

"billyotea" I think it massively depends on the context. If you keep inviting people and they don't reciprocate, then just decide whether you want to keep inviting them or not, no need to play the martyr. I can't see how I'd get into a position where I am repeatedly inviting people I consider to be CFs and resent having in my house. If you're at the point where you're approaching feeling resentful why don't you just invite someone else instead or suggest you all go out? If you'd rather invite your friends round than either of those options then be honest with yourself that you enjoy having them over and aren't acting under any kind of obligation.

Bit different if heavy hints are dropped by the guest till you feel you have to invite them, but in those circumstances you can be a bit blunt back or make a joke out of it.

Ace86 · 07/04/2021 15:54

I'd say mention it to your friend that you're feeling things are a bit one-sided but it will make things awkward. Sometimes we need to tell people if they're not meeting our expectations or taking the piss a bit. But when/if you receive that invite you'll know it's begrudged and likely decline, I know I would. A friend who used to extend invites to us has stopped but still invites herself and kids over here. I can't remember the last time I invited them tbh but know I stopped when I got the excuse for not inviting us anymore. Reason being she thought it was easier for us as I don't drive. Its never been an issue before and I've never said it was. This same person has told me its not as cut and dry being able to drive son over one time. Flip and switch when it suits. Anyway since mentioning it nothing has changed and I'm not begging for an invite but also not happy that the friendship only suits her needs( occupy and socialise her kids). My kids have plenty of friends and don't need me there on playdates anymore. As I also have actual friends with shared interests who have kids too I'm not devoting energy to this friend anymore. Let it die out or carry on as you are knowing thats just the way it is.

thebillyotea · 07/04/2021 16:00

@longestlurkerever

"billyotea" I think it massively depends on the context. If you keep inviting people and they don't reciprocate, then just decide whether you want to keep inviting them or not, no need to play the martyr. I can't see how I'd get into a position where I am repeatedly inviting people I consider to be CFs and resent having in my house. If you're at the point where you're approaching feeling resentful why don't you just invite someone else instead or suggest you all go out? If you'd rather invite your friends round than either of those options then be honest with yourself that you enjoy having them over and aren't acting under any kind of obligation.

Bit different if heavy hints are dropped by the guest till you feel you have to invite them, but in those circumstances you can be a bit blunt back or make a joke out of it.

as I said, I have never experienced CF among my friends, so it's never been an issue.

It would never occur to me not to invite someone back after accepting their invitation though, even if it's just a mere acquaintance
. It's basic manners. So it's even more alien to be a CF towards a friend!

When there's a group of "friends", it gets more tricky to leave someone out. I would, but MN is full of threads of people who feel obliged to invite their in-laws or not leave one person out. Whichever way you go, the CF put everybody in an awkward position and spoil everything.

I am rather blunt, so not inviting someone, adult or child, has never bothered me, which helped me a lot when I joined the wonderful world of play-dates and kids parties Grin

namechangeaga1n · 07/04/2021 16:01

I'm like this, but I'm forever trying to tackle a messy house. Love having guests once I've had a tidy up!

Ace86 · 07/04/2021 16:01

I can't wait for restrictions to lift so we can go and trash other people's homes once again 🤣.
Maybe some of us who aren't getting invited aren't nice guests

lioncitygirl · 07/04/2021 16:03

Are you inviting just so you can get an invite back? I generally always invite over, because it’s so much easier. I don’t have to pay for sitters, and I can just fall asleep straight after. 😂

MsTSwift · 07/04/2021 16:22

The group thing is tricky we have a non reciprocating couple dh is onto them and reckons we should stop inviting them I agree but they are in the group and on the group chat so it’s awkward! How they can keep rocking up despite literally never hosting us is jaw dropping! They obviously think a lot of themselves! Obviously I am not strictly tit for tat re invites but it’s got ridiculous! I would be embarrassed if I was them tbh.

GreyhoundG1rl · 07/04/2021 16:25

They never are. You need a brass neck to do it.

Sleepdeprivedmama1 · 07/04/2021 16:26

@GoldSlipper

I could be your friend lol!

I just don’t like people over at my house. You have no control over when they leave and it feels like an invasion of privacy having anyone here. OH feels the same.

Me too! Family fine though.

I had a bunch of friends come once, they all left after spending a good 6 hours or so - apart from one. I had put kids to sleep, contacts out and got into PJs and dressing gown and he was still talking to my husband. A couple of yawns, still didn't budge so I just left him with hubby and went to bed lol

We've never invited him back and meet in neutral places now!

TristantheTyrannosaurus · 07/04/2021 16:31

I CBA'd with people like this. They're takers. Just stop inviting them to your house. Fair enough if they don't like to host, but it's really not on then to keep accepting invitations to yours.

Itsalonghaul · 07/04/2021 16:41

I can't wait for restrictions to lift so we can go and trash other people's homes once again

Do you have a brass neck that is the million dollar question?

I think I make people too welcome, I have never managed to get anyone out of the house before 1am and then I have literally a million things to stack in the dishwasher and the house needs a hose down. Who on earth goes straight to sleep afterwards, I did it once, well I kind of passed out and woke up and it was even worse with a hangover.

It takes days if you are lucky to clean up and finally put everything away. That is without the stain removals, fag ends in the garden from all the non smokers and people's cars still in the driveway two days later. If you are hosting and it is easy, please tell us how?! Like dummies guide step by step of how you host effortlessly.

arethereanyleftatall · 07/04/2021 16:44

What people should take from this thread is this...

A. People who host are doing you a favour, whether they like hosting or not.

B. So, you need to reciprocate in some way, not tit for tat, just generally. You either suck up your dislike/other reason and host them back yourself. Or a different way. Pay for a meal out/a takeaway/a picnic. Or totally different. My sister pays for nothing (she can't afford it) but fuck me, she's a great listener. That counts!

Or, if you accept A and don't do B, then accept that you're a taker in life, and at some point in the future, most of the As will have dropped you from their friendship group.

Ace86 · 07/04/2021 16:57

Itsalonghaul we never trash really and kids are reminded to tidy any toys up but if that was the case I'd understand not being invited. If you start tidying while people are there still they might help you. I hate kid mess and tidy up throughout playdates in my own home as I hate the idea of someone else showing up and seeing the chaos but happy to do it. However I have piles of washing on display and not the cleanest of homes and people still show up. Might start making crap brews so they don't stay as long. I am looking forward to being in other houses and although I don't love hosting I do enjoy company so will be inviting other people over more for dinner and parties.

Crosstrainer · 07/04/2021 17:08

People who host are doing you a favour, whether they like hosting or not.

This. I don’t mind hosting - and I do it a lot, as we’re the ones with the big house. But I don’t love it (absolutely hate the tidying and clearing up) and would prefer someone else hosted at least some of the time....

Nuitsdesetoiles · 07/04/2021 17:12

@menopause59

Some people just don't like having parties at their home. I found myself in a similar situation. Because we always enjoyed hosting people would just presume it would be us who was hosting, but because of this I started to enjoy it less and less. Covid has been a nice break and this new years eve was amazing just my little family of 4. I may never host a party again
Feel a bit like this myself. Ours was always the party house and I've realised how much some friends took the piss. If it's never reciprocated then they won't get invited anymore... Simple! However I'm looking forward to meeting people out soon, equal effort, equal spends and boundaries around the time keeping ie you can leave when you want b and not have to kick people out of your kitchen!
Itsalonghaul · 07/04/2021 17:16

ace I had you down as one of those guests, you know the type you definitely invite year after year not for a return invite but just for the entertainment!! A little like Mick Jagger or something, where you burn down the kids playrooms or granny's antiques are used for bowling at 3am. Or the kids eat their cereal at 7am with a litter of bodies still passed out.

I am a bit disappointed you are just talking about toys if I am honest...

WombatChocolate · 07/04/2021 17:27

Yes, I think some people don’t realise that hosting is actually effort and work for anyone who does it. Those hosting are usually happy to do it, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t involve effort in tidying and planning and quite likely cost too and often tidying up after. It isn’t that anyone loves the tidying and cleaning .....so those who say they don’t hist becaue they don’t like those things.....recognise the people you visit don’t live them either, but they put themselves out for you....and are willing to do it, but don’t I’d yourself that somehow they love that stuff when you hate it. It’s just that they are willing to put in the effort and accept that sometimes we do and need to do things that aren’t our favourite.

Some people seem to have taken the view these days that they shouldn’t do anything they find hard or don’t love doing. It’s an excuse not to do all kinds of things and they seem to think it’s unquestionable. They don’t like people coming into their house....so they won’t have people in,but they are very happy to go into others’ houses. They don’t like tidying up or cooking, so they won’t do those things, but simply go to others houses and eat the food they cook for them. It’s all very one way. And they seem to think that’s absolutely fine.

Some people are anti-social and don’t accept invitations or invite anyone else. Fine. But if you do accept invitations, I think you really should think about how you might reciprocate friendship and not just be the person who takes all the time, as has been said multiple times, it doesn’t have to be identical reciprocity and often there are reasons why that can’t happen, but SOMETHING which shows a willingness to put yourself out for your friends.

Some people talk about hosting on here in a way which I think does terrify people. They are talking about big parties for large numbers with catering and large cost and days of work. I’m not surprised some people get worried when they think this is what hosting and reciprocity is about. Honestly, it doesn’t have to be anything like this. It could be inviting people for cake in the garden, or for a picnic in a public place, or for a meal in a pub, or for a takeaway in the house or garden. It could be for nibbles and a DVD or it could just be for a coffee.

Most people are more interested in a warm welcome and friendliness than if the house is spotless or you are offering haute cuisine. Friendship isn’t about showing off is it...it’s quite simply about time together. Usually that does require a venue and most people like food and drink, which is why it often does end up at peoples houses and involve food, but you can show friendship out and about in all kinds of places. Most people just love to be invited to something.

After a year of a pretty blank diary, to have been invited to a couple of friends’ gardens over the last week has been amazing. One invited me for hot cross buns last weekend. We sat for a couple of hours and drank coffee and ate hot cross buns and cake until we got too cold. Another invited me to sit by their fire pit for wine and crisps. Both were lovely. Next week we will meet with friends who live a distance away in some woods which are half way to eat a picnic. We will each bring some bits to share. It was our idea and we ‘invited’ the others, although there is no hosting involved in this, the friends were still really glad to be asked. My DC have had 2 friends each to sit in the garden and eat pizza over the last couple of days. One of them has invited DC back for similar next week. We don’t usually do as much as this but we haven’t seen friends for a long time and are catching up. Actually, not being able to have people indoors makes it easier and less effort. We aren’t looking at full scale meals and it being cold meals things aren’t running late into the evening although they might happen more in the summer as it warms up. I’d imagine there might be some BBQs or takeaways in the garden.

Itsalonghaul · 07/04/2021 17:38

I think you have summarised that really beautifully wombat Cake

Wexone · 07/04/2021 17:42

@WombatChocolate well said .

Ace86 · 07/04/2021 17:51

Itsalonghaul I'd love to be that wild. But invite me to a party and I'm there. If I'm enjoying myself I don't like to leave/or know when to leave maybe thats the problem.

Shineonyoucrazy · 07/04/2021 18:07

Ha ha we do! Years ago we'd take it in turns to host with two close child free friends. One occasion when our friends were hosting us, our 2 yo DD took a bite out of one of those foam stress balls that our friend had been given by someone a bit famous. They have never hosted us since, 13 years later. They always bring gorgeous wine and choc and treaty cheese though.

MsTSwift · 07/04/2021 18:13

In my next life I will be a CF blagger and sit back while others pour my wine 😁

MsTSwift · 07/04/2021 18:16

A work colleague visited once with her hideously behaved kids the high point was one intentionally pissing on our trampoline. As the door slammed dd1 then aged about 6 said “well let’s hope we never have to see them again” 😁 became a catch phase in our family!

ElsieMc · 07/04/2021 18:27

I have cut back on hosting because one or two family members are incredibly rude and I decided that was enough. Turning up hungover in a foul mood and itching for an argument with others present. Just no.

Complaining if there was not enough of one particular sandwich if I did a buffet. Their kids scraping salmon from bread and asking me to replace it with jam so I have to get up yet again. Oh and turning up empty handed. Not even a bottle of pop. I decided to break free last Christmas. Am I sorry, am I hell.