Report that says Institutional Racism doesn't exist and more ...

[Dustyboots]

Is no one else angry about this?

I can't find any other threads about it.

What is going on?

And the bit that says the “slave period”, was not just about “profit and suffering” and argues that the era was also about how “culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain”.

Are people unaware of this? Or do we just no longer care ...

[quote Smurfsarethefuture]@Blackberrycream

White, working class men are not the ones putting a cv with a non white sounding name in the rejection pile.

But they are by postcode. And there is a long history of Jewish people anglicising their names, isn’t there?

But a postcode (class indicator) is changeable and not static.[/quote]
In many places the list of applicants are sent from the HR department without names and ages for this very reason. You get a summary of educational qualifications and experience to date without any personal details. This to me is a fair compromise and should prevent this to some degree.

They also do positive discrimination whereby people with protected characteristics are guaranteed an interview if they meet the minimum requirements. What more could be done? Interview people anonymously?

In ma

“White working class boys are used as a convenient stick against anyone trying to discuss disparities. I doubt it stems from any genuine concern about that issue.”

White working class boys should certainly be used as a comparison as they would be the barometer to whether the issue is more race or poverty/social class related.

I don't think the commission is glorifying slavery at all and it acknowledges the "suffering". Sewell seems to be saying that in spite of the suffering, Afro Caribbean people transformed themselves into something new and this is not a negative. He is saying that after emancipation slavery influenced new ideas and a new kind of Britishness.

Maybe it could have been worded better but this is what he said

"We want to create a teaching resource that looks at the influence of the UK, particularly during the Empire period. We want to see how Britishness influenced the Commonwealth and local communities, and how the Commonwealth and local communities influenced what we now know as modern Britain."
He added: "There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain."

“White working class boys are used as a convenient stick against anyone trying to discuss disparities

Or white working class boys are beaten with the stick of blame for Empire, slavery and colonialism. Especially, as I queried in another post, "English" boys.

Most white people, the vast majority in this country, ancestors were not involved in the slave trade. Those ancestors had no vote, and did not profit from it. Yet their descendants are constantly told they must atone for it, take the knee, not fly a flag during a festival or football tournament, not question the middle class elites narrative that they are inherently racist and privileged.

www.amazon.co.uk/Natives-Class-Empire-Sunday-Bestseller/dp/1473661234/ref=asc_df_1473661234/?hvlocphy=1006602&linkCode=df0&hvptwo&psc=1&psc=1&hvnetw=g&hvadid=310778801271&hvpone&hvlocint&th=1&hvpos&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl&hvqmt&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&hvtargid=pla-803031462952&hvrand=296668803386697473

Worth a read for anyone who is interested in how class and race intersect in the UK.

@Flaxmeadow

"We want to create a teaching resource that looks at the influence of the UK, particularly during the Empire period. We want to see how Britishness influenced the Commonwealth and local communities, and how the Commonwealth and local communities influenced what we now know as modern Britain."
He added: "There is a new story about the Caribbean experience which speaks to the slave period not only being about profit and suffering but how culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain."

I really wonder how that will be delivered regarding to Irish history.

One of the saddest things for my parents was the complete lack of recognition for their generation of 60s immigrants and the contributions they made. There was nothing at all about the contribution Irish nurses(auxiliary and RGN) made to the NHS or the builders who built so much of modern Britain. It also ties in with a complex relationship with Ireland because of the whole Irish/English thing and how Ireland has always viewed the 50s/60s generation and some truly hurtful comments that I’ve seen seep through into the right wing press.

Should be...

I really wonder how that will be delivered regarding Irish history.

@Livelovebehappy

The past is done. Nothing anyone can do about what’s happened. We can now only control the here and now, learn from the past and apply those learnings to the future. How many times can people apologise for a past that belongs to people long gone. The U.K. is so different now and bears no resemblance to how it used to be. I’m sick of being held accountable for the actions of past generations just because I’m white.

Yes I agree I feel the same. Likewise it would be wrong to blame the current German people for the actions of their predecessors during the war. We do not expect them to apologise and that is more recent.

@Flaxmeadow

“White working class boys are used as a convenient stick against anyone trying to discuss disparities

Or white working class boys are beaten with the stick of blame for Empire, slavery and colonialism. Especially, as I queried in another post, "English" boys.

Most white people, the vast majority in this country, ancestors were not involved in the slave trade. Those ancestors had no vote, and did not profit from it. Yet their descendants are constantly told they must atone for it, take the knee, not fly a flag during a festival or football tournament, not question the middle class elites narrative that they are inherently racist and privileged.

Yes you’re right actually...

@Flaxmeadow
That is quite a leap.
I’m not sure why you don’t see that both communities are subject to discrimination and stereotyping. It’s helpful to nobody to make the issue so oppositional. As I previously said, working class areas are genuinely more integrated so it’s a false opposition.
White working class boys are stereotyped as are black boys. Unsurprisingly both groups underachieve. The stereotyping is complex but in the case of black boys, it does involve race.

The fact that cvs need to be viewed blind isn’t real a great argument for race not being a barrier. It is good that effort are made.

twitter.com/RosieisaHolt/status/1377638604860755970?s=19

The worst thing about this clip is it's getting difficult to tell the difference between satire and reality

Sorry about all the typos in that last post...

Something that bothers me about the current wave of BLM supporters is that so much of the focus is on past events - why aren’t these keen activists helping to draw attention to modern slavery , there is so much that could be done to help people who trafficked right now, I rather suspect because it’s easy to care about things you don’t need to actually do anything about, whereas helping to dismantle modern slavery may force these people to face some uncomfortable truths about their drug and porn habits.

Toppling a few statues and drawing up placards denouncing people who are long dead is easy, and impacts nobody, but of course you can pat yourself on the back because you have been protesting about racism.

@Benelovencd
I wonder if she is on mumsnet!

It’s not the past Mabelpines.
Look at the recent Manchester Grammar stabbing case. The demonisation of the victim and the leniency shown to the attackers is astounding.

Why is BLM responsible for every minority movement or human rights issue? Their mandate is not slavery, it is Black people and equity. Why are Black movements always expected to be a catch all for everything that is wrong at that time? Why don't those who suddenly become aware of the humans rights abuses that are going on in the world when Black people start a movement actually fight against those things on and bring attention to them with their own initiative?

Why does it always fall on Black people to be the struggle soldiers for everything and everyone. No ma'am. The whataboutery is real here.

I'm out.

@Blackberrycream she absolutely must be. I love you Rosie wherever you are 🥰🥰

Likewise it would be wrong to blame the current German people for the actions of their predecessors during the war. We do not expect them to apologise and that is more recent.

We don't expect them to apologise because they have apologised for the Nazis, repeatedly and constantly, they have paid massive amounts of reparations, they have memorials all over the country to their victims, they have a huge education programme about the evils of fascism and anti-Semitism.

Do you really think if they didn't have any of that, if the Germans were still bragging about the Holocaust and saying 'it wasn't all negative' and telling people 'forget about the past', and ignoring ongoing anti-Semitism and xenophobia, do you think we'd all be like, okay sure no problem? I don't think so.

That sounds like a good campaign Mabelpines. Maybe you should start it. Not sure how that detracts from BLM. Can’t both issues be discussed....

@Benelovencd

Because they are tied, I think. You can’t talk about Caribbean migrants in the 60s in London without recognising the community they lived in and when it gets seen as a blanket ‘white’ community it throws a blanket over the distinctions that exist within that white community. That’s often invisible to insiders but keenly felt to those struggling within it. I really think we are all played off against our strengths and weaknesses and in w/c areas against resources but on top of that there is specific racism towards black people.

@MabelPines

Something that bothers me about the current wave of BLM supporters is that so much of the focus is on past events - why aren’t these keen activists helping to draw attention to modern slavery , there is so much that could be done to help people who trafficked right now, I rather suspect because it’s easy to care about things you don’t need to actually do anything about, whereas helping to dismantle modern slavery may force these people to face some uncomfortable truths about their drug and porn habits.

Toppling a few statues and drawing up placards denouncing people who are long dead is easy, and impacts nobody, but of course you can pat yourself on the back because you have been protesting about racism.

So BLM supporters all have drug and porn habits? Okay.

'The U.K. is so different now and bears no resemblance to how it used to be. I’m sick of being held accountable for the actions of past generations just because I’m white.'

The windrush scandal was very recent.

Invisible to outsiders, sorry