Report that says Institutional Racism doesn't exist and more ...

[Dustyboots]

Is no one else angry about this?

I can't find any other threads about it.

What is going on?

And the bit that says the “slave period”, was not just about “profit and suffering” and argues that the era was also about how “culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain”.

Are people unaware of this? Or do we just no longer care ...

@FluffyHippo have you bothered to read about the people who authored the report? It seems their minds were made up before they even wrote it.

I agree with the report that poverty and class issues etc are sadly the main factors driving disadvantage in the UK.

@skirk64 Do you actually live in the UK?
Let me guess, you've never suffered prejudice so it must exist?

If racial disadvantage doesn't exist, how do they explain white working class males outperforming non-whites in terms of income, employment and social mobility, despite non-whites outperforming white boys in education and access to University? Many studies have shown there is Labour market discrimination, where researchers sent in identical CVs except for the ethnicity of the applicant, consistently showing that white people were more likely to get interviews than non-white people. Add this to the stats on healthcare outcomes as a PP mentioned and CJS sentencing stats and I think it's bizarre to claim we don't have a problem in this country. Poverty and class play a large role but it isn't the full picture.

Ooh surprise surprise. The government's 'independent' report about the government being institutionally racist or not - we're surprised they said they're not?

I'm sure some will be surprised as well when the 'independent' enquiry about the royal family and racism comes out as "Oh yes, we found there's no racism to be seen here".

I do agree there's a lot to be said about class and economic privilege.

@Oshikundu

Samuel Kasumu the PM's adviser on race/communities has quit. I wonder if finally he noticed that he was the only adviser who is black? And he was given " race" to deal with as his remit. No surprise there.

But the government would have been criticised if they’d given a white person the job!

Basically they can’t win

Someone , who knew what they were talking about , on lbc yesterday described this new report as ' the tories marking their own homework ! '
Sums it up for me.

@Rosehip10

I agree with the report that poverty and class issues etc are sadly the main factors driving disadvantage in the UK.

Yes I completely agree with this too. This is the main problem and it affects all races.

Although some will never agree as it doesn’t say what they want it to say and always want something to complain about.

Do you know the biggest problem ethnic minorities have in this country?

It's white middle-class liberals telling us what racism is and telling us we're all victims when they've never experienced real racism - the shit through letterboxes and beatings type of racism we're all too familiar with. By making us victims without our own agency they're just perpetuating the colonial myth of the poor, ignorant savages. But it makes them feel good and right, so...

Unfortunately we now live in a country were a man can say and write awful and completely unambiguous racist language and trops, all publicised widely so the electorate know exactly what he has said and thinks and then win a big majority to become prime minister. I believe it was this same man who commision this report. We get what we vote for.

I think some of the contributors to the report are beginning to regret it, with each interview they appear more and more embarrassed. They were stitched up.

The report itself is no surprise, the government wanted a report that minimised and whitewashed systemic racism and they got one.

white middle-class liberals telling us what racism is and telling us we're all victims when they've never experienced real racism

Fine, let's put blame where blame is due - white people aren't saying anything to black people that black people aren't saying to themselves. In their bid to show support and allyship, they're only confirming and validating the narrative many Black people in the west carry and pass down to their children.

If black people in the west don't want to be seen as victims, they and they alone can stop having the "victim talk" with their children for one.

As for what you wrote on black working class boys underperforming, I think many reports state Black Caribbean males underperform, while black African males perform better or as expected. (I think).

David Lammy yesterday was raging.
Stitch up is correct.

@whenthebellsring

white middle-class liberals telling us what racism is and telling us we're all victims when they've never experienced real racism

Fine, let's put blame where blame is due - white people aren't saying anything to black people that black people aren't saying to themselves. In their bid to show support and allyship, they're only confirming and validating the narrative many Black people in the west carry and pass down to their children.

If black people in the west don't want to be seen as victims, they and they alone can stop having the "victim talk" with their children for one.

As for what you wrote on black working class boys underperforming, I think many reports state Black Caribbean males underperform, while black African males perform better or as expected. (I think).

See, I knew it was all our fault really. Thanks for the victim-blaming - you really are in full control of your white saviour narrative today, aren't you?

The report is the result of an institutional racist society.

Such bollocks and so disappointing.

The reports is bullshit and if you’re agreeing with or defending it then you’re just privileged in how you view things or what you’ve experienced

Haha "white-saviour"!😆

Thing is you aren't exactly speaking for black people with your posts here...atleast, not the full party line. It definitely doesn't rhyme with what some people are saying on BMN (Have you gone there to tell them this isn't about race?). I'd have thought you were a bit more independent of thinking but seems I'm wrong.

Go to any black forum (US/UK-oriented) and count how many times you'll see the "victim" narrative (You brought this up not me) with no white person's input, then tell me who paints who as a victim.

I don’t like this. Class was known to be one of the biggest factors that affected social mobility, job opportunities, housing- everything yet for years it was ignored. Finally, it appears to be acknowledged (I haven’t read the report) but it seems to be applied as the cause of disparity when it shouldn’t be a factor (maternal healthcare, for example as these institutions have clear, specific criteria to follow). So, for those who are angry at the report is it this:

By putting class as a factor it fails to recognise the racism in organisations (the example of CV bias, etc)

It doesn’t offer any solutions/policy change

Obviously, the comment (I am quoting a poster here) about the slave trade seems astonishingly glib and to completely miss the point.

@awesomekillick

I'm raging about it. I'm white.this government seems hell bent on creating as many divisions of deep hatred as they can, all of which benefit white male capitalism, ie themselves and their mates.

The idea that British people of colour said Black Lives Matter so forcefully last year simply for something to do, and not because there is real engrained racism in almost all the uks structures and systems, is frankly offensive beyond words. What this report will do to inflame race relationship is anyone's guess.

Whenever I think this government has hit the bottom, they find a way of sinking lowers.

Yeah this is why satire as entertainment is dead. Every time someone comes up with a scathing vision of shitness this fucking government adopts it rather than hanging their filthy heads in shame as they should.

@horizondawn02

The reports is bullshit and if you’re agreeing with or defending it then you’re just privileged in how you view things or what you’ve experienced

I agree.

I can't find any other threads about it.

To be fair, I don't think the general Mumsnet demographic would really get wound up about it.

@VladmirsPoutine

I can't find any other threads about it.

To be fair, I don't think the general Mumsnet demographic would really get wound up about it.

This.

*We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.

So what is the cause then?

Culture/ poverty/ areas people are living. Higher numbers of minorities living in awful areas where the option is be a victim of crime or join the gang?

Higher numbers of single parent families in some cultures.

A cycle of thinking race is to blame for everything and therefore seeing it everywhere.