Report that says Institutional Racism doesn't exist and more ...

[Dustyboots]

Is no one else angry about this?

I can't find any other threads about it.

What is going on?

And the bit that says the “slave period”, was not just about “profit and suffering” and argues that the era was also about how “culturally African people transformed themselves into a re-modelled African/Britain”.

Are people unaware of this? Or do we just no longer care ...

A link to he report would be useful.
Who commissioned the report?

A lot of scary authoritarianism creeping in from the government at the moment.

Electoral boundaries being redrawn, mayoral elections becoming 1st past the post. The flags everywhere and biased reports like this, very scary stuff.

Doubt many on here care. If it doesn't happen to them (clue, they're white British) then it doesn't exist.

Here you go

The government conducted their own report and found that they'd done nothing wrong - happy days.

It's an absolute joke, just like most things this sodding government do nowadays, but as usual, we all just sweep it under the rug and do fuck all about it.

The report is surprisingly sensible. The main points I got from it are:

• Britain is a model example of a country where minorities are treated well.
• We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.
• Movements like Black Lives Matter make people think the problem is much worse than it is.
• Black African and Asian children are better students than white children, in fact only Black Caribbean child perform worse than white children.
• British history in terms of Empire and slavery isn't automatically negative in every aspect.
• To all intents and purposes, there is no evidence of "institutional racism" - most people who throw that term about don't actually understand what it means.
• There is a large element who want to present the current situation as being no improvement over that of the 1970s, when in actual fact things are drastically improved.

I'm actually quite impressed with how reasoned the report is. It looks at the facts and takes the emotions out of it, which is exactly what it should be doing.

To be honest I was surprised that a Tory government allowed a report that paints a pretty bleak picture of the effect of deprivation. The government technically has no excuse but to end poverty. I guess a Tory government doesn't give a fuck though and will use this to claim everyone has equal opportunity (If they go to public school).

Samuel Kasumu the PM's adviser on race/communities has quit.
I wonder if finally he noticed that he was the only adviser who is black?
And he was given " race" to deal with as his remit. No surprise there.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/974507/20210331_-CRED_Report-FINAL-_Web_Accessible.pdf

Sorry - here it is.

Typical ‘nothing to see here, move along’ bullshit from this bunch liars 😡

I'm raging about it. I'm white.this government seems hell bent on creating as many divisions of deep hatred as they can, all of which benefit white male capitalism, ie themselves and their mates.

The idea that British people of colour said Black Lives Matter so forcefully last year simply for something to do, and not because there is real engrained racism in almost all the uks structures and systems, is frankly offensive beyond words. What this report will do to inflame race relationship is anyone's guess.

Whenever I think this government has hit the bottom, they find a way of sinking lowers.

@skirk64

The report is surprisingly sensible. The main points I got from it are:

• Britain is a model example of a country where minorities are treated well.
• We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.
• Movements like Black Lives Matter make people think the problem is much worse than it is.
• Black African and Asian children are better students than white children, in fact only Black Caribbean child perform worse than white children.
• British history in terms of Empire and slavery isn't automatically negative in every aspect.
• To all intents and purposes, there is no evidence of "institutional racism" - most people who throw that term about don't actually understand what it means.
• There is a large element who want to present the current situation as being no improvement over that of the 1970s, when in actual fact things are drastically improved.

I'm actually quite impressed with how reasoned the report is. It looks at the facts and takes the emotions out of it, which is exactly what it should be doing.

Quite, I'm quite impressed at how many MPs were kicking off about the report before they'd even read the content. Makes me wonder what else they don't read before forming a view.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/black_mumsnetters/4206937-Institutional-racism-doesn-t-exist

Ironically, this report is creating is more division. The fact that they released the headlines before the report is shocking yet unsurprising. It feels like we are being gaslighted - like we should be grateful and appreciative. Like Dave said at the Brits - the least racist is still racist.

We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.

Yes yes yes to this. I hate that the assumption is always racism.

I particularly object to employing people based of colour or gender take up quotas rather than the best person for the job. That isn't helpful.

Funny how the ‘best person for the job’ = white and male isn’t it?

The trying to put a rosey gloss on slavery as though we'd somehow all integrated and it was ultimately some sort of good thing in the end (?!) and just the general gaslighting garbage of of it makes me so angry and tired.

The centring of white working class boys in a report about institutional racism, a report having been driven by protests about the teatement of black people? The focus on general BAME education achievement and claiming this means no racism...when it's really because of hard work, talent and family focus on education overcoming racism? The ignoring of the shocking stats around black maternal mortality in our health system, which is absoutely literally institutional?

It's so tiresome.

As a poster on another thread so adroitly said, the report itself should be tabled as an exhibit of institutional racism when they bother doing a real report. This report is institutional racism.

There is a large element who want to present the current situation as being no improvement over that of the 1970s, when in actual fact things are drastically improved.

"Improved" doesn't mean that racist attitudes towards BAME people no longer exist

An interviewee on the radio talked about either changing the systemic, institutional racism and then the social narrative will change in response or (as this government and this report is trying to do) change the narrative first but that denies the systemic inequalities.

I can’t comment on public institutions but employment is surely racist... seriously go to any website of a company you know, look at the board and any middle management. So where are all the “ethnic minorities” who FYI are not minorities in our biggest cities and so how are they being excluded and is this actively done through the ranks. Either way it stinks.

As far as I can understand they're using intersectionality as a reason to deny that institutional racism exists.

My limited understanding of Intersectionality is that, of course it gives a much more detailed framework on which to get a picture of someone's privileges of discrimination. BUT it would take years to get a proper understanding of this for people who were being discriminated against in a workplace or school etc Whose ever going to have the time or resources for that?

I'm seeing this from an ableist point of view. That's the discrimination my family has experienced most strongly. Basically we're currently invisible and powerless anyway. But once this kind of denialism becomes mainstream and government speak/policy - we're screwed.

Those in minorities have zero voice. They did anyway. But now it's been exterminated. Hasn't it?

@skirk64

The report is surprisingly sensible. The main points I got from it are:

• Britain is a model example of a country where minorities are treated well.
• We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.
• Movements like Black Lives Matter make people think the problem is much worse than it is.
• Black African and Asian children are better students than white children, in fact only Black Caribbean child perform worse than white children.
• British history in terms of Empire and slavery isn't automatically negative in every aspect.
• To all intents and purposes, there is no evidence of "institutional racism" - most people who throw that term about don't actually understand what it means.
• There is a large element who want to present the current situation as being no improvement over that of the 1970s, when in actual fact things are drastically improved.

I'm actually quite impressed with how reasoned the report is. It looks at the facts and takes the emotions out of it, which is exactly what it should be doing.

“Movements like Black Lives Matter make people think the problem is much worse than it is”

Which problem is that exactly? Have you directly faced these problems and can speak on them? Curious to know so that I can understand whether you are a black person who has faced these issues and can therefore speak on them or whether you are a non black person who is undermining the feelings of an entire race?

The report is complete gaslighting.

*We shouldn't automatically assume that where minorities are disadvantaged, the cause is racism.

*So what is the cause then?

I think a report on this subject really needs to be carried out by a truly independent body, not a commission set up by the government. Concerns were raised about the panel members as soon as it was set up, notably by Lord Woolley, a cross-bench member of the House of Lords, who is also an equality activist. The head of the commission panel, Tony Sewell, is reportedly a friend of Boris Johnson and there have been concerns voices about the political leanings of the panel in general.

It could be that the commission's findings are completely accurate, but they are not useful if they cannot be trusted to be fully independent.

Thanks for posting link to actual original report.
I like the report. The media headlines don't represent it fairly.

Maybe the controversy comes down to whether you can agree with next statement in the report.

The Commission was keen to gain a more forensic and rigorous understanding of underlying causes of disparities. However, we have argued for the use of the term ‘institutional racism’ to be applied only when deep-seated racism can be proven on a systemic level and not be used as a general catch-all phrase for any microaggression, witting or unwitting.

It's an academic, evidence-based report so they defined what they are talking about. No definition would make everyone happy, but without a definition then there is no way to comment objectively on "institutional racism". The report is very long and mostly talks about all the ways that racism still exists & hurts people's lives. The headlines just as easily could have said "Britain has a very long way to go to getting rid of racism in daily life" but the writers decided to go with a more optimistic not pessimistic view. The writers say specific things about giving everyone agency to improve the situation not feel that it is fatally doomed situation. I like optimism and "can-do" attitudes myself.

How many of you raging and fuming about how wrong this report is have actually read it? Not what your precious social media tells you to think about it, the actual report itself.

I have. It makes a lot of sense (and before someone yells 'white privilege' or some other nonsense, I'm black. Not BAME or any other silly term. Black.), especially in its identification of class and culture as being the biggest impediment to ethnic minorities' progress.

The government investigated the government and the government decided the government had done nothing wrong.