To think it has started

[oohmamama]

Live in a beautiful seaside town in the SW.

Yesterday, in the 5 minutes of getting out of my car I saw the second home owners from Oxford in their holiday home opposite our house had arrived and a whole family get out of their car with their suitcases arrive at their gran's house two doors down.

Just...bloody...WAIT!!!

waxon The virus isn't going away, ever. More anti science eh?

That’s not anti science, it’s exactly what Whitty and Vallance say.

@Sansaplans

Did people with second home who 'werent allowed' to use them for the past however long get a rebate on the council tax seen as though they were forbidden from using the local amenities?

Well we would all have to get one then, second home or not, as none of us have been allowed to use local amenities for months!

wax We still do not know how effective the vaccine is, or will be to new variants. And the next pandemic might be something else entirely. It seems likely we will be able to open up again, but by no means certain given what we don’t know about this virus. We have completely messed up our response to this pandemic, one of the highest death rates in the world and worst economic damage. Rather than repeat the same complacent mistakes again it is a no brainer to learn from our mistakes and from how Asian countries minimised the damage caused by this pandemic. An effective quarantine, track and trace system and .border controls, as well as vaccination, would leave us in a much better position than just “living with it”

That’s not anti science, it’s exactly what Whitty and Vallance say. Whitty and Vallance say that the balance of scientific consensus is that it is unlikely to go away anytime soon but if they were to say that is certain then they would not be scientists! They are certainly not advocating “just live with it” on the contrary they are saying virus suppression measures may be needed for some time to come.....

@Emilyontmoor

That’s not anti science, it’s exactly what Whitty and Vallance say. Whitty and Vallance say that the balance of scientific consensus is that it is unlikely to go away anytime soon but if they were to say that is certain then they would not be scientists! They are certainly not advocating “just live with it” on the contrary they are saying virus suppression measures may be needed for some time to come.....

Whitty has literally said the point will come when we have to live with it. Those exact words.

Whitty has literally said the point will come when we have to live with it. Those exact words.

What do you think he means by 'have to live with it'?

Do you think wearing masks for example constitutes not 'living with it'?

Does 'living with it' mean 'doing nothing about it' in your view?

Sorry forgot to namecheck @Alsohuman in my post above

I don’t know what he means. Unfortunately the journalist who asked the question wasn’t allowed a follow up.

I live in a touristy cotswold town and it's never been busier than throughout Lockdown. The second home owners & holiday lets have all been pretty busy/full. At least the towns many, many cafes/take aways have been busy which has meant many have been donating food to vulnerable/children through half term/Easter

We can't put a hold on movement indefinitely

@TheHobbitMum

I live in a touristy cotswold town and it's never been busier than throughout Lockdown. The second home owners & holiday lets have all been pretty busy/full. At least the towns many, many cafes/take aways have been busy which has meant many have been donating food to vulnerable/children through half term/Easter

We can't put a hold on movement indefinitely

Shhhh! Many would love nothing better than for everyone to be forced to stay put for good.

@Alsohuman

I don’t know what he means. Unfortunately the journalist who asked the question wasn’t allowed a follow up.

He doesn't mean no measures is my assumption.

No, stay local is gone from Monday

That is incorrect. @PeonyRose80 was right. 'Stay at home' is gone from Monday. The guidance remains to stay local. But it is guidance and it seems people are ignoring it anyway.

Never nice to hear about people who are breaking the law.

@User133847

Never nice to hear about people who are breaking the law.

Sounds great to me! Stupid law.

Ana Oh yes stupid law that has helped bring down the cases in my community from over 1100per 100k to less than 100 so fewer lives are being lost unnecessarily. I actually have a second home in another country that I dearly would like to be my first home but until we get the cases down that country will not let me in so I can assure you freedom to travel is very much at the forefront of my wish that this country handled this pandemic better. I have lived through a pandemic (SARS) in a country that did suppress a virus effectively and now one that tried to kill me last March because it did not. I know which I would have preferred to have been in this time, freedom not to be infected comes very high up my list of priorities.

Can someone share the guidance that says second home owners in England can travel to them from Monday (29th March)? I can only see 12th April as the date, which is what I thought was the case..

@Sleepthief

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/23/legal-stay-uk-second-homes-easter-despite-guidance-advising/amp/

I'll be going.

Thanks @HandyHarry but it still says strong guidance is not to stay overnight away from your primary residence, isn't it?

Yep, it's guidance! I've not been to our holiday let since before Christmas. So I'll not be interested in the guidance.

No judgement here, just checking I wasn't missing something...

@Emilyontmoor

The anti social behaviour is certainly not restricted to beautiful seaside towns. Last summer our Council had to employ poo Marshall’s to stop people pissing and pooing on our open spaces. Of course I think of the people who have had to endure lockdown in tiny flats and need to get out into open spaces but not when they treat those spaces as a toilet. One neighbour was in her garden with her children when piss started flowing under her side gate, she opened it to find 4 large men pissing against it, when she challenged them they said “just hose it down” and they were so intimidating that is what she did.

I have every empathy with that lady . Why did councils closed down public toilets though..wtf..did they think was going to happen People piss their pants? I don’t think so.

The whole toilets thing was tricky.

In the village where I live, there is one person who is the caretaker for the public loos. This person was clinically vulnerable so stopped working when covid hit. And the parish council couldn’t find another person to fill the role. So the toilets closed.

And then on sunny days, when people flocked from the nearest big towns and city to the beach in our village, friends of ours had the joy of men pissing on the garden walls, and the odd person taking a shit by their back gate. Dirty nappies were left in the country park and kids took craps in holes dug for them by their parents in the sand, which didn’t wash away and were just lovely to come across when out walking the dog.

The general public seem to be pretty disgusting.

Good for them!

@PregnantGotCovid

I agree with you op. Ok it might be a legitimate support bubble. But we can see from pp that too many people have decided the rules no longer apply to them.

I'm continuing to stick to the rules. I'm 37 weeks pregnant. Dd hasn't seen her grandparents since Aug. They live a few hours drive away. Easter would be the perfect time to visit them. They have room for us to stay. We've all had covid. They've had the first vaccine. But I'll be continuing to follow the rules as I don't want to be part of the problem. We don't know enough about the mutations or the vaccines to be sure it would be safe to visit.

Perhaps one of the pps who thinks the rules don't apply to them was one of the people who infected me in January. I caught it despite carefully following the rules. My DH is still not fully recovered more than 2 months later despite being totally healthy. It infuriates me how self centred so many people are.

If you were sticking closely to the rules, how do you know the person that infected wasn’t doing likewise?