To think it has started

[oohmamama]

Live in a beautiful seaside town in the SW.

Yesterday, in the 5 minutes of getting out of my car I saw the second home owners from Oxford in their holiday home opposite our house had arrived and a whole family get out of their car with their suitcases arrive at their gran's house two doors down.

Just...bloody...WAIT!!!

So two points from me. YANBU in asking people to follow rules for the last few days they are current. YABU for coming across as quite anti anyone not living permanently in your town. Once the lockdown finishes everyone within reason is free to return to their normal behaviour, and personally I cannot wait.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/26/one-in-25-people-hospitalised-with-covid-in-uk-since-december-have-had-vaccine

It will be particularly important to monitor the prevalence of different variants present in this group by sequencing to understand any potential immune escape.

This reporting gets lost and minimised. The take home message was that vaccines will save us. But when is a vaccine not a vaccine in the traditionally understood sense?

Vaccinated used to mean immune. Now it means you may be immune but you still have to behave as if you have no immunity because you may still be infected, transmit, be hospitalised, suffer acute or chronic symptoms and may die.

In infected you may provide an environment where the virus is only partially suppressed and encourage 'immune escape' transmitting new variants that may be more virulent in known at risk communities or might find new hosts in the previously mildly effected, might be more deadly and might transfer back to the vaccinated vulnerable who have lower immunity to new variants.

Notice all the mays and mights? It means that there isn't sufficient evident yet because this is an evolving situation but that these are valid concerns knowing how viruses and partial vaccination during a pandemic work.

Confidence in a partial vaccination to some people is misguided. Desperation doesn't make you right. Safety is not a vote of confidence.

Coronavirus aside, it’s a free country. If you’d written this a few months ago I’d have thought fair enough but tbh it sounds like you just don’t want to share with “outsiders”

We need our freedoms back, completely ,not partially, come what may.

@KOKOagainandagain sounds like a potentially dangerous situation where the 'cure' could make things so much worse. I have heard some scientists say similar, as well as highlight problem of ADE.

@Weenurse

I don’t understand, here in Australia we are hearing about how the UK should be getting a third wave sometime soon, why are people travelling?

If the third wave is being talked about as an inevitability, I can see why people want to go and visit family now while rates are low.

OP, they could easily be a support bubble especially if Gran lives on her own
The fact that you live near the seaside doesn't make it any better or worse that they're visiting.

We’ve had the third wave. Count up people: the first last Spring, the second in the Autumn and the third just a couple of months ago. Our very own virus is now ravaging other places. It’s all so back to front.

@LadyWithLapdog

We’ve had the third wave. Count up people: the first last Spring, the second in the Autumn and the third just a couple of months ago. Our very own virus is now ravaging other places. It’s all so back to front.

UK second wave was dampened by the autumn lockdown and then resurged when we unlocked, rather than them being two separate waves.

So another wave is the second one dampened again by the lockdown? It doesn’t make sense.

I guess the Kent variant is a third wave. Last autumn was a mess.

I don't really know whether a wave that is supressed by a lockdown and then resurges is the same as a wave that passes through a population unmitigated and then naturally comes back the next year?

Cryh - I don’t know either. Funny how we can feel confused about counting to 3 😆

UK second wave was dampened by the autumn lockdown and then resurged when we unlocked, rather than them being two separate waves

Waves are an artificial concept. Our ‘waves’ have been created by lockdown measures.

@LadyWithLapdog

Cryh - I don’t know either. Funny how we can feel confused about counting to 3 😆

I do think what Europe has now is what we had in January.

What the government is expecting from summer is January +1.

And you are probably right - we had one in spring, two in autumn (but didn't really tackle it) then three in winter. In some areas (Manchester) it ever seemed to stop though.

We have avoided four in spring, and can look forward to four in late summer.

Depressing!

@PeonyRose80

Don’t you have to stay local (rather than stay home) from Monday? Travel out of local area is not until April or May? I am not bothered what other people get up too, but want to be sure when I have the inevitable argument with my Covid wary husband later..

No, stay local is gone from Monday

@TheOneWithTheBigNose

Are you really that stupid that you don't realise how many rules you're breaking? I doubt it. More likely you don't care. What about using a holiday club?

Absolutely no holiday clubs running in my area so my mum is having my DC over the holidays. She lives alone and is in our bubble so it is ‘allowed’, but even if it wasn’t we’d be doing the same.
My mum is so excited, she retired 2 weeks ago from her full time job in the NHS and can’t wait to spend some time with them. In May she starts her voluntary role administering Covid vaccines.

Surely a holiday club with multiple unrelated adults and children, is higher risk that staying with one adult in the same house for a weekend.

Hope you are going to Scotland when the midge population is not in full force, saves you crunching on them every time you open your mouth.

The obsession with the Scottish midge. Midges like still, warm weather. You’ll be lucky if you see them in my experience of ‘midge season’ as it means the weather is good. Most of the time it blows a gale.

@MintyMabel

I was designed to run on oxygen and fresh air , so have stuck to that..but this year I realised there was a altogether different breed who ran on recycled breath and carbon dioxide.

You were also designed to read and understand science, but something obviously went wrong there. Masks do not restrict oxygen.

😂😂😂 Flimsy bits of snot rag on your face? Yeah right Would you blow your nose on your hankie then stick it over your mouth and nose??? Oh you do? Ok , carry on 😂

No overnight stays until the 12th and no staying in anyone else's house till June

doesn't apply to support bubbles and never has

Anyway how does it affect you, OP?

@SneezyGonzalez

Coronavirus aside, it’s a free country. If you’d written this a few months ago I’d have thought fair enough but tbh it sounds like you just don’t want to share with “outsiders”

Yes it has a lot more to do with that, and not liking second home owners. I don't like second home ownership either, but the vitriol towards them on here has been ridiculous. It matters not where you hole up for lockdown.

Been going to Scotland in ‘midgey season’ every year nearly for my entire life, they don’t really bother me! Just use repellent it’s not that bad it’s not like you will die if one flies near you

[quote oohmamama]@Finfintytint

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If you are in Wales and they are from England that is still illegal stop Moaning and curtain twitching and eaither do something about it or stop moaning

There's no excuse . It's not fair you

Sorry posted too soon. It's not fair on you all living there being over run like this . I am still staying local and intend to until we are told otherwise

I’d have a bit of empathy! Those who live in “beautiful sea side towns” and the like have had a much easier time fo lockdown that most.

Think of people stuck in flats in the inner city and then worry about others coming to their second homes.