To think it has started

[oohmamama]

Live in a beautiful seaside town in the SW.

Yesterday, in the 5 minutes of getting out of my car I saw the second home owners from Oxford in their holiday home opposite our house had arrived and a whole family get out of their car with their suitcases arrive at their gran's house two doors down.

Just...bloody...WAIT!!!

@thetemptationofchocolate

I too am in the SW. I live in a tiny place but there is one holiday home here. Recently there were people in said holiday home and someone here (not sure who) reported them to the police who paid a visit to the holiday home & sent the people away.

Which achieved what, exactly, other than to make the virtue signalling do-gooders feel good about themselves?

The GDR wants its informers back...

I live in an ugly NE seaside town.
I declare you are all welcome.
As from right this minute.

(Actually it’s not that bad and we do have miles of golden beaches and you learn to shut out the sight of the industry close by, it even takes on a charm of its own at sunset.
We do do very nice fish and chips though.)

@Dowser I’m thinking of starting a thread for ugly/unpopular places to go on my holidays 😃

@MintyMabel

Perhaps the local businesses will be glad

The ones who are primarily closed as the government’s lockdown rules favour mainly large stores?

I know I could never understood why carpets shops had to close, have you ever seen a rammed carpet shop? Clothes shops and shoe shops stocking winter gear...closed in winter ? That made no sense whatsoever

You are aware we do this annually for flu?

We do not vaccinate every person against flu. We routinely vaccinate over 65s with an uptake of 75%. Carers, healthcare workers, vulnerable people had a similar uptake, and young children, who had a much lower uptake. Not the same situation at all.

Mabel what us the limiting factor for vaccine rollout do you think?

Not sure what you are asking here? If you mean logistically, it is having enough resource, be it vaccine, vaccinators and venues. We’ve had to draft in people from outwith the usual system to give the vaccine and use premises which are not usually used. Easy to do whilst they are closed, e.g ours was at the local college. More difficult if places are open in Autumn.

If you mean societal the limit is whether people come forward for it which is down to effective messaging.

@MintyMabel

You are aware we do this annually for flu?

We do not vaccinate every person against flu. We routinely vaccinate over 65s with an uptake of 75%. Carers, healthcare workers, vulnerable people had a similar uptake, and young children, who had a much lower uptake. Not the same situation at all.

Mabel what us the limiting factor for vaccine rollout do you think?

Not sure what you are asking here? If you mean logistically, it is having enough resource, be it vaccine, vaccinators and venues. We’ve had to draft in people from outwith the usual system to give the vaccine and use premises which are not usually used. Easy to do whilst they are closed, e.g ours was at the local college. More difficult if places are open in Autumn.

If you mean societal the limit is whether people come forward for it which is down to effective messaging.

Atm I’d say it is supply. So as that increases we’ll get faster.

Also what’s stopping the updated version being swapped in in Autumn. Do the two doses have to be the same?

Good for them.

@FourWordsImMuNiTy

Why aren’t you visiting your mother RiojaRose? We’re visiting my DF for Easter, just like we did for Christmas and February half term. DSis has visited in between (leaving a 2 week gap). Unless your DM is in a support bubble with a sibling who visits her very frequently there’s absolutely no reason for you to stay away.

Yes, she is in a support bubble with my brother who, unlike me, is furloughed and has no children. So it’s safer that way. I will be visiting as soon as it’s safe and allowed! But her health isn’t great and I’m really missing her. And so are my kids.

Alsohuman Since I am immune compromised and have a Scientist in the house who works in the same building as the UK’s influenza research unity , yes I am fully aware of the annual flu vaccine. However I am also fully aware that Covid is not flu, and that whilst some of the vaccine technology acquired as a result of the development of flu vaccines has helped develop vaccines rapidly this is a new virus with many different characteristics to flu already understood, but much still unknown.

When the swine flu epidemic arrived here because it was flu many of us already had immunity, deaths were mainly amongst young people, there was a treatment, my DD was given Tamiflu as a prophylactic when there was a case in her class, and the vaccine was ready pretty much instantly. Even in the 1957 Hong Kong flu pandemic which killed my grandfather the vaccine was launched within three months.

You do understand that scientists work in a field of uncertainty. That there are always outliers with different theories but that it works through achieving consensus, the more so with a novel virus.

As to wearing masks for years to come, Japanese society has continued the custom of wearing masks when ill with anything infectious or when infectious illnesses are doing the rounds since the 1918 pandemic (one possible factor in their experience of Covid) and the rest of Asia followed after SARS. It was no big deal going back to wearing a mask because I was already used to it in 2003. So why would luck come into it?

[quote WouldBeGood]@Dowser I’m thinking of starting a thread for ugly/unpopular places to go on my holidays 😃[/quote]
You’d be right at home here then.
You’d probably want to move and snap up one of our cheap homes 😂
Three years ago I owned three houses, all nice houses in lovely areas..( two three beds and a 4) you could’ve bought all three for £400k and still had change )

Expecting an influx now 😂😂😂

I could never understood why carpets shops had to close, have you ever seen a rammed carpet shop?
Exactly. And having a situation where they could do appointment only would have made a real difference.

Clothes shops and shoe shops stocking winter gear...closed in winter ?
That made no sense whatsoever

Ahh, but you can get all that stuff in your local Tesco. You could get all your Christmas gifts and decorations from the Range. Where Argos was within the supermarket, you could go there too. No need to go to that wee independent handmade gift store where you could have made an appointment to browse in a totally safe way, allowing them to at least try to recoup losses over the Christmas sales period.

@RiojaRose
So just see her.
You’d never forgive yourself if she passed away
There’s a lot worse things than the fear of getting covid...loneliness is a killer
My dentist and I pave had 7 visits since they reopened, said his elderly patients look like they’ve aged 10 years.

So wrong.

Not RTFT. I hope people don’t blame the increase of cases on the fact kids have gone back to school. Clearly people are generally fed up of it now and are making their own risk assessments.

the issue is not that lots of second home owners are arriving in the south west, its that lots of businesses that offer accommodation - self catering cottages, flats, houses, hotels bed and breakfasts so actual proper businesses arent allowed to open until after Easter. so if you are rich enough to afford a second home you get your easter holiday by the seaside. if you are just some other muppet who wants a break or you run a tourism and hospitality business then you are not allowed to stay or offer accommodation. that is what is getting people in the SW worked up. not the visitor issue but the point that only those with second homes can stay and not the ordinary guests.

@MintyMabel

I could never understood why carpets shops had to close, have you ever seen a rammed carpet shop? Exactly. And having a situation where they could do appointment only would have made a real difference.

Clothes shops and shoe shops stocking winter gear...closed in winter ?
That made no sense whatsoever

Ahh, but you can get all that stuff in your local Tesco. You could get all your Christmas gifts and decorations from the Range. Where Argos was within the supermarket, you could go there too. No need to go to that wee independent handmade gift store where you could have made an appointment to browse in a totally safe way, allowing them to at least try to recoup losses over the Christmas sales period.

Well the backs of lorries did a roaring trade up here. 😂

I’d say it is supply. So as that increases we’ll get faster.

There isn’t really a supply problem, factories are at full capacity and for the most part are delivering well. There is supposedly a shortage coming, but in our area we have had more doses than we have had people to give it.

Also what’s stopping the updated version being swapped in in Autumn. Do the two doses have to be the same?

I don’t understand what you mean. Are you asking if an AZ jab can be boosted with a Pfizer one? I don’t know the answer to that, they work in different ways. As I understand it, Pfizer works against variants because of how it makes your immune response. But even if you can swap, the issue is getting it out there.

poppycat10 Sat 27-Mar-21 12:52:18
thetemptationofchocolate

I too am in the SW. I live in a tiny place but there is one holiday home here. Recently there were people in said holiday home and someone here (not sure who) reported them to the police who paid a visit to the holiday home & sent the people away.

"Which achieved what, exactly, other than to make the virtue signalling do-gooders feel good about themselves?

The GDR wants its informers back..."

I don't know what the person who reported it got out of this, I don't know who it was who did the reporting.
I only mentioned it because it seems the police are still taking breaches of Covid rules very seriously.

I’m about as pro-lockdown as you can get, but the 2nd home owners are only 2 days early, and you don’t know the circumstances of the family visiting their granny.

I just couldn’t get worked up about it.

@mummymeister

the issue is not that lots of second home owners are arriving in the south west, its that lots of businesses that offer accommodation - self catering cottages, flats, houses, hotels bed and breakfasts so actual proper businesses arent allowed to open until after Easter. so if you are rich enough to afford a second home you get your easter holiday by the seaside. if you are just some other muppet who wants a break or you run a tourism and hospitality business then you are not allowed to stay or offer accommodation. that is what is getting people in the SW worked up. not the visitor issue but the point that only those with second homes can stay and not the ordinary guests.

There’s always someone in the know who will do things on the QT Taps side of nose.😂 All of us must’ have elderly aunts and uncles who live alone, vulnerable, seriously ill, died..that we needed to visit. I think I’ve lost three aunts and four uncles , lost count, since Christmas. I need to be a bit more careful with them.

@thetemptationofchocolate

poppycat10 Sat 27-Mar-21 12:52:18 thetemptationofchocolate

I too am in the SW. I live in a tiny place but there is one holiday home here. Recently there were people in said holiday home and someone here (not sure who) reported them to the police who paid a visit to the holiday home & sent the people away.

"Which achieved what, exactly, other than to make the virtue signalling do-gooders feel good about themselves?

The GDR wants its informers back..."

I don't know what the person who reported it got out of this, I don't know who it was who did the reporting.
I only mentioned it because it seems the police are still taking breaches of Covid rules very seriously.

I think they have to be seen to do something, if an informer contacts them However if you have a reasonable excuse, you’re fine

Luck would come into making masks compulsory for years because only a very small minority would comply. We’re not Asia and the British character is very different.

It does seem reasonable for owners of holiday cottages to be allowed to go to visit them slightly in advance of them being reopened on 12th April so they’re ready for the new season. Obviously most will have local workers for cleaning etc but it’s not the same as doing a full check yourself. Two weeks would give you enough time to get necessary repairs done.

Taking your entire family for a holiday is taking the piss but not illegal.

@Authenticchicken

I have been arriving at my Mum's with suitcases, kids and husband every three weeks since Christmas. Thankfully her neighbours are aware she is on her own and that we are her support bubble.

Well done you And this time I’m not joking. Only don’t leave it quite so long between visits next time. Three weeks is a long time 😂

Yes my DF’s neighbours wouldn’t dream of reporting or disapproving of us when we visit.

Alsohuman Oh the British character line again! Not sure the Covid virus recognises that one.... Already I notice many of the militant anti maskers who walked the supermarket hoping they would be challenged and the mouth breathers have got bored and just put a mask on properly. Pretty much 100% compliance here since the third wave gave us the highest case rates in the country the virus showing absolutely no regard for our relative affluence The same in Hong Kong, most people just carried on wearing a mask when ill because it became habit not because of some weird character trait.....