Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

[fizzypop19]

I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

if you vilify a job to this extent

The anti-police propaganda is despicable

I am wary of the new laws re protests etc. However I look at what is happening in Myanmar and think there is a way to go.

How do you suggest Chanjer

I said upthread they need to increase funding. They need to couple this with less reactive policing and more pre-emptive measures and better integration with other (better funded) services. More accountability at all levels. What is considered now to be low level crime is all that most people thankfully encounter in their lives but it is now seemingly outside their remit.

Right now they police reactively because it's about all they've got left in the budget to achieve but addressing the root causes will ultimately save money in the long run. They need a big change in direction and this isn't the police's problem this is a policy makers and governance problem

@tangerinelollipop

Lots if young people in this country have received the shit end of the stick

So it's ok for them to attack and injure other human beings (i.e. police officers) and destroy private and public property? Don't think so

Nope - and I don't think my comment suggested that it was. But thanks for trying to put words into to my mouth.

Right now they police reactively because it's about all they've got left in the budget to achieve but addressing the root causes will ultimately save money in the long run. They need a big change in direction and this isn't the police's problem this is a policy makers and governance problem

Stop and search is one thing - why won't the Gov try to curb use of drugs by middle classes. They let the trade run freely then the police have to try to sort out the gangs. The gangs are there because rich people want drugs. If there were no gangs there'd be no needs for them to carry knives.

@EsmaCannonball

That's the entire point. The police don't bother to prevent or investigate everyday crime anymore. They just issue people with crime numbers. If crimes like burglary are effectively legalised then what is the point of the police? I know people who have been burgled and the criminals have left evidence (in one case the victim actually recognised the man who climbing through her living room window) and the police didn't even turn up, let alone investigate. They are useless, unless you want to hold a vigil or misgender someone on Twitter.

This, and the issue of drugs, are experiences I recognise (although drugs are a genuine problem for police, coming from internationally funded gangs and effectively legitimated consumption among higher social groups).

There are serious questions over how we should expect policing to work and what purpose we expect them to serve. Our politicians seem to be avoiding these questions, or are ineffective themselves. Handing more repressive powers over ‘for extremes’ only sets us into an unbreakable spiral into anarchy too.

You are alone op

@RobboCop

Half the problem would be solved if they just legalised weed. There's no way they'll ever stop the drugs trade, it's just too lucrative and lots of people feel they haven't got much to lose so have little reason not to sell it.

They’ll never stop burglary, robbery, theft, car crime etc so let’s solve those problems by legalising them shall we?

The police have been hung out to dry by the government, who want anyone else to blame for Covid 19 infections and rule breaking, and/or enforcement failures, rather than their own failings. Not enough police officers (cut by Boris Johnson as London Mayor in London, by government funding more generally), asking police to be judge and jury over Covid 19 instead of magistrates courts, for example. So young people's criticism of the police, however justified, is music to their ears.

I don't like that people follow the US and think it applies to the UK police.
Or compare us to France say. Because police are armed in these places - it's got to be easier to round up protesters etc if you are armed. I've lived in the States and was aggressively treated by police on a couple of occasions (misunderstandings over traffic stuff, not actually my fault I'd better add) - in the UK you would argue your case, when the police are armed it's a yes officer and you get away fast. Also saw a body lying at the side of the road once- no one was near it, police hadn't arrived. I'm sure traffic would have stopped in the UK, pedestrians 'helped'. So many guns, people are nervous.

@peak2021

The police have been hung out to dry by the government, who want anyone else to blame for Covid 19 infections and rule breaking, and/or enforcement failures, rather than their own failings. Not enough police officers (cut by Boris Johnson as London Mayor in London, by government funding more generally), asking police to be judge and jury over Covid 19 instead of magistrates courts, for example. So young people's criticism of the police, however justified, is music to their ears.

Agreed, peoples anger is directed at the Police when are enforcing laws and regulations directed by the Government. The government are quite happy to let them take the heat for things like the recent police and crime bill. The police don't make the rules they are sent out to enforce rules made by others. They don't always get it right, there are good and bad pain every job but the majority go into the job with best intentions mainly wanting to help people. Instead they are stretched to the limit with cutbacks, constant changes to regulations, picking up the pieces of a failed mental and social health system putting their lives at risk doing a job all the while being shouted at, abused, assaulted and threatened. Who would actually do this job these days?Is it any wonder so many are leaving.

picking up the pieces of a failed mental and social health system

Drug dealers 'become friends' with old people in housing assoc flats, invite their friends to stay etc. Old person is happy(ish) to have company.
So many things are a social service issue. But they are cut to the bone too. Cases like this I always wonder where the family are. Ok some people have no one but most people do.
We expect too much of public services that family probably do in other coutnries, or are expected to do.

fullfact.org/crime/police-numbers/ Police numbers cut by 20,000 since 2010, a 14% fall or 19% fall if you take into account population growth during this time. Tories cut the numbers, people keep voting the Tories in.

The police do a very difficult job - I think the complaints about them as a body are very unfair , we need the police to uphold our laws.

Yes I'm sick of it. That's why I just ignore people sick of them too seems like they want a world just like the purge and I'm leaving them to it.

The way they've carried during this pandemic I'm hardly surprised there's no respect. No matter what your job class or status to get respect you have to give it.

The way they've carried during this pandemic I'm hardly surprised there's no respect
Doing what?
Enforcing the laws of the country drawn up by the democratic government. I do wish people would speak to their MPs about this stuff - if there's no laws they don't enforce it so don't blame the police.

@Quincie

The way they've carried during this pandemic I'm hardly surprised there's no respect Doing what? Enforcing the laws of the country drawn up by the democratic government. I do wish people would speak to their MPs about this stuff - if there's no laws they don't enforce it so don't blame the police.

Agreed!