Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

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I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

[quote pinkearedcow]I am in my 50s and think the Avon and Somerset police have behaved appallingly recently, lying about police injuries and attacking journalists.

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And the rent a mob thugs have behaved so well haven't they? I'm sure a lot of them are too thick to know what they are supposed to be protesting about.

And the rent a mob thugs have behaved so well haven't they?

Well now, I didn't say that, did I? Yes, some of the protestors will be thugs just as some of the police are. Difference is, the police are supposed to be highly trained professionals who are able to deal with volatile situations without resorting to random acts of violence especially towards people who are not posing a threat.

Sorry @pinkearedcow, I didn’t mean to be snippy to you. I’m just fed up with the attitude on social media right now that seems to say police = bad, protestors = good when there’s good and bad on both sides.

I am more opposed to the demonisation of ‘young people’ tbh. We are all entitled to our opinion and have a right to peaceful protest.

I am of the generation where police, priests, doctors etc were unquestioningly respected but given some of the stories of abuse of this I am very glad this no longer seems to be the case. I have tried to teach my children that there are good and bad people and respect must be earned. A person’s profession has nothing to do with it.

Well according to someone on Twitter the other day we're not all entitled to our opinion. I commented that although Patsy Stevenson thinks she speaks for all women she doesn't speak for me. I was told that's white feminism and some tweets were quoted that I apparently needed to read, presumably to 'educate" myself'. Apparently only some people are entitled to their opinions.

@EYProvider

I blame my generation (people in their 40s and 50s) for the state this country is in. We’ve made a right mess of parenting and produced a generation of entitled brats, who have never been told no either at home or school, and have no respect for authority - because how dare anyone tell them what to do.

It’s appalling and embarrassing. I dread to think what the next generation will turn out like with this lot as parents. It’s no wonder the police can’t control them - they literally believe that the world revolves around them (it always has) and that they are always right.

It’s a shame we can’t turn back the clock twenty years and instil different values in our kids. It’s too late now, the damage is done and I fear there is no way back.

My children are both polite, respectful and kind. They also have strong boundaries and will not hesitate to speak up or ask for help if something makes them uncomfortable or they think something is wrong. This doesn’t mean they have no respect for authority or the wrong values, it means they have a good sense of right and wrong and trust their own instincts. I am so very proud of them and wish I had such a strong sense of self when I was that age.

Have just read a journalist whingeing on twitter about being badly treated by the police - so all rent a mob types actually tell the police they are rent a mob, I'm sure they never claim to be journos, innocents standing by, etc etc. ,..... ever !
The rent a mobbers actually take their own cameramen/women with them. So suitably aggressive police looking pictures appear on twitter, whilst for some reason police camera footage isn't used (not sure why).
What annoys me is that EVERYONE, the public, the papers, social media is HAPPY to take a half minute of video as ABSOLUTE PROOF that the police are deliberately nasty and violent to poor innocent women when the previous hour of stone throwing, bottle throwing, goading, threatening isn't included.
Anyway. You get what you get. More regulation and laws because it's too difficult to police crowds without the whole country baying for the police's blood.

We’ve made a right mess of parenting and produced a generation of entitled brats, who have never been told no either at home or school, and have no respect for authority - because how dare anyone tell them what to do

Speak for yourself.

The more I see on the internet, the more I'm bothered by entrenched sweeping generalisations and stereotypes alongside the vocal demands to be inclusive analytical and respectful and kind at the same time.

What happened to debate and nuance? Why the immediate animosity?

We’ve made a right mess of parenting and produced a generation of entitled brats, who have never been told no either at home or school, and have no respect for authority - because how dare anyone tell them what to do

Round here we've got a group of feral little shits who are going around with catapults killing animals and birds, the latest being the male in a pair of geese who've bred here for years. I was brought up to know that sort of thing was wrong so what have the parents been doing with them? I know they don't know what they are doing 24/7 but why haven't they been taught right from wrong.

People would be ashamed if caught killing birds, Parents would be ashamed of their children's behaviour. Somehow that's disappeared. Everyone can do as they please, it's their right.

We’ve made a right mess of parenting and produced a generation of entitled brats, who have never been told no either at home or school, and have no respect for authority - because how dare anyone tell them what to do

This is reactionary rubbish.

@Sundances

People would be ashamed if caught killing birds, Parents would be ashamed of their children's behaviour. Somehow that's disappeared. Everyone can do as they please, it's their right.

No, they can't.

We do have major issues with underinvestment in every aspect of law enforcement, so people get away with things - but that is the Conservative government's choice. That isn't the same as 'everyone can do as they please'.

whilst for some reason police camera footage isn't used (not sure why

Because then it can't be submitted as evidence I think. They ask you not to host dashcam footage for example on social media channels if you have reported a driver using the same footage

@EYProvider

I blame my generation (people in their 40s and 50s) for the state this country is in. We’ve made a right mess of parenting and produced a generation of entitled brats, who have never been told no either at home or school, and have no respect for authority - because how dare anyone tell them what to do.

It’s appalling and embarrassing. I dread to think what the next generation will turn out like with this lot as parents. It’s no wonder the police can’t control them - they literally believe that the world revolves around them (it always has) and that they are always right.

It’s a shame we can’t turn back the clock twenty years and instil different values in our kids. It’s too late now, the damage is done and I fear there is no way back.

This is such a sad and unpleasant reaction. I am immensely proud of our children. They have been a privilege to parent. They are good people with a strong moral compass and a social conscience. They spend their lives working incredibly hard for the good of others.

They are not alone. Their partners are good young people with similar value bases, who also work hard for the common good.

In fact, their friends are also young adults whose parents should be very proud. They are all kind, considerate, thoughtful people.

I can think of a fair few ghastly people from older generations, who have created a hate filled culture by polarising societal privilege. Who have shown a lack of moral compass and whose driving force is personal gain through cronyism and disaster capitalism. Sadly, those people are in control of the country through government and the press.

Give me a climate change protestor or young woman asking for safe streets over a baton wielding, police yob (no, they’re not all, but some clearly ack self control) or corrupt politicians. Idealistic anti-slavery adulation protestor daubing statues or Farage? No contest.

@EYProvider

How dare we have ‘the gall’ to look you in the face? Are you kidding me? Grow up and start taking responsibility for your own actions. Your entire generation is a disgrace.

I’ve no idea who you think you are talking to?

I am under 50, equally shafted by the greed of my others, have no children as teaching wore me down so much.

But your outrage speaks volumes. It is largely nonsense.

American cultural imperialism is a reality and I do think it's ironic that the very people who have the loudest voices on colonialism and appropriation are also those who want us to see everything through the prism of American culture wars.

My own perception of modern policing is that we see the police dealing with crowd-control, organised crime and the low-hanging fruit of people having differences of opinion on Twitter, but when it comes to those crimes that have a massive impact on everyday quality of life - flashing, stalking, burglary, vandalism, pet theft etc.- the police have almost entirely absented themselves. They have certainly lost my confidence.

@EsmaCannonball

But surely that is not them choosing to do that? They are following instructions based on policy and government initiatives? I don’t understand why the police are being singled out as a body here

I find this “young people are so entitled” narrative bizarre. For example, I was called “entitled” recently by an older colleague for complaining about changes to the pension scheme in my workplace, that will shave about 25% off my future pension, compared to those drawing from it today. How “entitled” of me to expect the same pension as my elders for the same work!

Oh yes, I agree it is about government policy. The Tories claim to be the party of law and order but they really are the party of police cuts and diverting the police away from bread-and-butter issues.

People earn respect.
I went on a blind date with a policeman who told me while walking me home he could rape me and easily cover it up. I’ve witnessed racist stop and searches, aggression from police and been dismissed when I reported a violet ex. The Met aren’t easy to trust or respect.

Like in any profession, there are good and bad police officers and forces alike.

What I am totally sick of is people tarring them all with the same 'bad' brush.

We are a mid 50's law abiding all our lives couple and last year my husband was arrested, in handcuffs, put in a cell for 8 hours by what I regard as a thug in uniform for the grand crime of putting an A4 paper sign placed on our property in the recycling bin. (Theft). Took advice from CAB and put in an official complaint, it was investigated by complaints department and they closed ranks. No apology. My husband was left "under investigation " for some stressful weeks and then it was dropped. My husband is diabetic and asthmatic and was shielding too.
On the upside they now appear to be falling over themselves to help us (I think they're worried about us going to the media).
So no, I lost an awful lot of respect for them last summer.

flashing, stalking, burglary, vandalism, pet theft etc.- the police have almost entirely absented themselves. They have certainly lost my confidence.

Stalking definitely needs investigating and sorting. But pet theft? - the people in a white van round our way had false number plates. The dogs they looked at were spaniels. I'm not sure exactly how they can catch the culprits easily - stop all white vans on the road? there are hundreds of them.
Are there usually clear descriptions of burglars and vandals? I doubt it. I'm not sure how you would catch them.

What is the alternative to the police? I would really like to hear people's suggestions. I am 34 and do respect the policy as an institution, not all police men and women are racist, senior or misogynistic. Some are, I don't doubt but so are some doctors, lawyers, judges and many more people in 'respected' professions. I do think the police need to be held accountable when there are failings and that this should be transparent. How is launching stuff at people just trying to do their job going to help or swearing at them?

I am a big fan of protest and actually think it is a very useful tool to bring attention to a cause but in a pandemic you need to use your brains and accept that not all people will follow the rules and socially distance or even wear masks. Do you still go ahead, debatable.