Is anyone else sick of anti police/some of the younger generation in general?

[fizzypop19]

I'm 29 so in no means "old" but I don't know what's happened the past couple of years.

I was bought up to respect police, not break the law. Obviously I have, underage drinking etc yet I've never been in trouble with police. Twitter is full of 17-20 year olds slagging off the police for breaking up protests etc hello we are in a pandemic and I'd really like to be out of lockdown soon?

Was also bought up to not judge anyone by their skin colour, religion, sexual orientation etc I have friends who are gay, black, white, Muslim, Jewish yet none of them understand this whole she/her announce your pronouns stuff, we all just respect each others preferences/views/religions/self identification.

Is anyone else feeling sick of this or am I alone???

[stroopwafelgirl]

I fit within your age bracket and I agree with the principle of defunding the police. In my limited experience of the police (as a witness on several occasions), I have found them to be aggressive, crude and really poor at de-escalating situations. This goes for male and female officers. I have also seen two serious incidents where someone was clearly in mental distress in a public place, and ended up being treated like a dangerous criminal. Lack of mental health provision means that vulnerable people are at greater risk of state violence at the hands of the police. Whether it be inappropriate restraint/people being confined to cells and not safeguarded from self injurious behaviours/lack of reasonable adjustments when being cautioned or interviewed.
This article provides a good summary of why I feel the way I do.
www.varsity.co.uk/opinion/20060

[knittingaddict]

And I've never knowingly broken a law in my life. Like someone else said, I respect the law, but am reserving judgement on the police themselves.

[ThrowingAShellstrop]

@Tal45

I'm with you OP. Smashing stuff up to make a point is stupid. People in general need to be more respectful whoever they are and whatever their job.

Like peacefully protesting? That’s in real danger of becoming illegal soon too.

[Pinchoftums]

I've been to enough demonstrations to know that the police can be utter cunts.

[Bluebird2021]

police is like any other profession....theres good and a few bad

driving instructors
shopkeepers
taxi drivers
doctors
nurses
fire fighters......and police....good and bad.

[Bluebird2021]

@Pinchoftums

I've been to enough demonstrations to know that the police can be utter cunts.

demonstrators can be utter cunts too

[Bambam2019]

I don’t really agree. I don’t think the police are bad guys but I don’t think young people are either. The real bad guys are the mainstream media for creating the “them vs us” narrative, and the politicians who want to pass the bill that is a serious threat to democracy. I’m more worried about that than what people have to say about the police on Twitter.

Also about the pronouns thing- my friendship group is the same as in very diverse and we respect each other’s preferred pronouns but if someone wants to announce theirs regularly that’s also fine by me- for all we know maybe they’ve been suppressed from doing so for a long time and can finally use the pronouns they truely identify with..! 🤷🏻‍♀️

[minou123]

There is a huge difference between respect and criticism (or slagging off).

You can respect an institution and also criticise decisions/actions they make.

Blind deference, which is what you're talking about, is not good.

I also don't understand your last paragraph and how this relates to "anti-police"

[AnaofBroceliande]

No. Sick of all of us being thrown under a bus for a virus for which there is now an effective vaccine and which the vast majority survive.

[Proudboomer]

So anyone who says they are fine with the behaviour of a few over the last week, are you fine with the young woman who thinks it is acceptable to shit at the feet of a police officer or the others who were shout in the faces of female officers just because they were there and had a uniform on?

[Jjjjjj1981]

I think a massive amount of women and girls that have been victims of gender based violence and been failed and dismissed by the police would not agree with you OP. Look at sexual assault conviction statistics for instance.
I have absolutely no faith in the police, I would expect nothing from them if I were the victim of a crime now. The whole institute needs a shake up.

[AlexaShutUp]

I think it's a general weariness at the direction in which younger generations are changing things. Culture clash etc.

Just an unfocused whinge about younger people, then? Meh, people have been doing that for years.

[ThrowingAShellstrop]

@Proudboomer

So anyone who says they are fine with the behaviour of a few over the last week, are you fine with the young woman who thinks it is acceptable to shit at the feet of a police officer or the others who were shout in the faces of female officers just because they were there and had a uniform on?

Sources?

[stroopwafelgirl]

@Bluebird2021 respectfully, the police have a far greater potential to cause damage (both to individuals and wider society) than your average driving instructor or shopkeeper. It’s not just down to whether there are good or bad apples, because they are responsible for enforcing the law. It’s important that their powers are curbed and the state is held responsible when fuck-ups happen. At the moment, there is an institutionalised culture of deflecting blame and covering up scandal.

[Bluebird2021]

@Jjjjjj1981

I think a massive amount of women and girls that have been victims of gender based violence and been failed and dismissed by the police would not agree with you OP. Look at sexual assault conviction statistics for instance.
I have absolutely no faith in the police, I would expect nothing from them if I were the victim of a crime now. The whole institute needs a shake up.

no faith in the police or the CPS?

[TheVelvetiser]

I'm sick of hearing 'We're in a pandemic!!!!' whenever someone witnesses thoughts or behaviour they disagree with or find remotely uncomfortable.

I'm sick of the demonusation of young people. I'm sick of the misogyny and racism that's endemic in the police. And I'm sad for anyone who offers unconditional deference and respect when it hasn't been earned.

[Nandakanda]

Looks like you've hit a bunch of 6th formers OP.

Most would be too scared to go outside in a police-less society. They really have no idea.

[thefallthroughtheair]

I feel the opposite. Young people seem so desperate to fit in to a very media-led stereotype of 'caring' - in the sense of identity politics and supporting the 'right' causes. To me many seem so compliant and unquestioning at a time when they should be questioning everything. Politics is broken, the environment is being destroyed (with one consequence being greater risk of pandemics) and the inequality gap everywhere is sickening, and yet they seem in the main - well, the ones I know - to think so simplistically about everything.
I'm glad that I may be wrong. I hope more of them gain a sense of rebellion.

[wingsnthat]

I’m 23. I wouldn’t describe myself as gen z or millennial, rather a cusper - so I feel like I can relate to both groups you mention.

I dislike the police because they’re useless. I have reported serious incidents only to have the police not respond for months, or not check cctv cameras then close the case due to “lack of evidence” after the footage expired etc. Just general ineptitude which forces the public to fend for themselves until someone gets murdered.

I think gen z are much more welcoming to a diverse range of people than millennials frankly. You were taught to be tolerant sure, but in doing so the communities you mention are still “othered” rather than seen as equal. You were still taught the same prejudices, gen z are actually trying to make a change instead of being so passive

I also don’t think they break the law en made as you suggest

At 29 you’re much too old to be this concerned about people younger than you. You’re almost thirty sis

[Bluebird2021]

[quote stroopwafelgirl]@Bluebird2021 respectfully, the police have a far greater potential to cause damage (both to individuals and wider society) than your average driving instructor or shopkeeper. It’s not just down to whether there are good or bad apples, because they are responsible for enforcing the law. It’s important that their powers are curbed and the state is held responsible when fuck-ups happen. At the moment, there is an institutionalised culture of deflecting blame and covering up scandal.[/quote]
north job they have to do gives them the potential to cause damage because it means disciplining people who will fight back to continue their bad behaviour

what 'powers' do you want to see curbed then?

[Proudboomer]

They are all over the net. Try googling kill the bill riots and see some of the behaviour

[Naunet]

No, it’s crazy to unquestionably respect the police! You know they’re just people like the rest of us right? The only difference is they’re in a position of power, so should absolutely be held to a higher standard.

[Bluebird2021]

*no,the job not north

[Theluggage15]

I think a lot of people in the police must be fairly thick too. Look at how it’s had to be pointed out to them time and time again that they’re misinterpreting the law. For example that silly van one police force parked outside a Tesco which said being offensive is an offence or the man who got told off for letting his kids play in his own garden. Countless examples of them getting it wrong. It’s their fault people are losing respect.

[LadyCatStark]

I’m sick of everyone right now! Everyone’s arguing and hating anyone who doesn’t have their exact set of beliefs and everyone’s crying and wailing and experiencing ‘literal violence’ (actually it’s just someone else not agreeing with them). I think it’s lockdown boredom getting to everyone.

You must hate men.
You must hate the police.
You must hate white people.
You must hate lesbians who don’t want to sleep with ‘women with penises’.
You must film videos of you crying and upload them to social media. Urghhhhhh.