To think Scottish Independence would be like a second Brexit?

[MinnieMous3]

Inspired by another thread, do you think Scottish Independence would be like a second Brexit?

As in, independence for independence’s sake rather than because it will actually benefit the country, leaving everyone in an expensive mess?

There seem to be so many parallels - a leader who is good at the battle cry but seems unable to produce a clear plan of what would happen afterwards, paranoia that the union in question is ‘out to get’ them in some way, and complete denial of the perks of being part of it.

I know this may get heated so please play nicely!

@forfucksakenett we both know the once in a generation wasn't just a comment created but was in the Scottish Government White paper on independence.

No I don't have a crystal ball but I do have a basic understanding of how borrowing works and know the SG couldn't afford it on taxation alone which requires borrowing.

The reason I mentioned oil was because 2014 independence was based on income generated by oil industry. That has bottomed out and wind farms in comparison don't generate the same income as oil used to. So again it comes back to the question how is it going to be paid for?!

Ironically I was for the SNP last vote round but not when such economic hardship is only on the cusp of knocking down the few remaining card houses left standing.

It's basically poor motivational speech in an effort to get people out to vote

In the same way promising covid would be over by Christmas was an effort to get people to stick to the rules?

Are we to take all of the SNP’s words as a motivational speech rather than fact?

Brexit was nothing to do with leaving a trading bloc, if it was then most wouldn’t have voted to leave

@Scottishskifun that's exactly what it was.
It appeared in the foreword written by AS in an effort to convey the gravity of the opportunity we had. Later on in exactly the same context.

2021 is not 2014. I didn't mention oil. The context for oil is completely different now.

Well you better get on the phone to the SG then because a whole host of qualified people seem to think that we can be a viable country and clearly don't know that you know so much better! You better get the word out.

@MinnieMous3 did the SNP promise covid would have been over by Christmas? I genuinely must have missed that.

@forfucksakenett and a whole host of economists have already warned about the cost of it all!

@Scottishskifun yes and many have thought it would work. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not sure why you're struggling to accept or maybe refusing to accept that there are two sides to this.

It's quite arrogant really.

I've said several times on this thread and others that while I support independence I'll be waiting until the most current financial data and analysis is published to make my final decision.

I assume, that like last time some economists will be yay and some will be nay. I'll read it all and weigh it up. Just like last time.

Instead I've been accused several times of being Indy at all costs. It's utterly bizarre.

😂 I'm refusing to accept that the current SG won't lead us down a creek without a paddle in the whole sharbarcle based on their track record, inability to even improve the things they are in control of at the moment and leave the economy in far greater tatters then it already is after 2 extreme economic pressure hits.
I also don't believe in the SNPs ability to negotiate fair deal or for it to cost billions when that money could be spent on recovery.

Well that's where we differ 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not sure how anyone has confidence in the SNP govt doing what's right when they have demonstrated they follow their own agenda and waste tax payers money when told by lawyers several times it was unlikely to win.

Or they promise to provide every child with a laptop...... A year into a pandemic and 8 months of home schooling later....

Basically I don't trust them to organise a piss up in a brewery let alone a divorce from the UK which doesn't leave the country in tatters!

That money could be used elsewhere by the SG.
But in an independent Scotland they'd still have to pay it anyway.

If the UK government cuts a £1bn bill by £250m but the Scottish government makes up the difference, the £250m wouldn't go away on independence, the Scottish government would still have to either cover it or enact the cut.

Well you make sure you don't vote for them then. Get yourself out campaigning for a more reliable party.

@forfucksakenett

Well you make sure you don't vote for them then. Get yourself out campaigning for a more reliable party.

I can't currently get out of bed due to covid!

Well when you get better then.

@forfucksakenett

Well when you get better then.

Unfortunately I can't walk more than 10 paces without breathlessness so I think the election may be over by the time I am able to walk anywhere! Also my work contract doesn't allow for political canvessing!

That's a bit shit. Well just don't vote for them then. Hopefully you'll be better soon. Apply for a postal vote just in case!

@Scottishskifun

I’m so sorry to hear that; hope you recover fully soon.

[quote forfucksakenett]@Scottishskifun yes and many have thought it would work. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I'm not sure why you're struggling to accept or maybe refusing to accept that there are two sides to this. [/quote]
Just like most economists argued against Brexit but people decided that other things were more important than money.

Scexit is basically Brexit all over again, it's uncanny.