Aibu to think that actually we should let the EU keep more vaccines that would have been sent here given their low vaccination rate and our high one.

[Kendodd]

Firstly, the EU have majorly fucked up vaccine deployment, there's no getting around that and no excuse.
But, if people are dying because of a vaccine shortage and vaccine is being sent to us to put into the arms of people very unlikely to die then the vaccine should be rerouted. A few caveats to this, that vaccine should be in people's arms (especially vulnerable people) as fast as possible and not still in shelves. Apparently the US has hundreds of thousands of doses of the AZ vaccine in storage unapproved when it could already be in arms somewhere else in the world.
I also wish the rest of the world would follow our example and delay the second dose to get more people protected. I think the (brilliant) tactic has been overlooked internationally.
This is a global issue and we should take a global view.
So iabu we should get the vaccine we ordered.
Or ianbu they need it more so should deploy it there.

@IpanemaNova

What a disgusting thread. I’m ashamed of what the brexit mentality has done to the UK.

Worth bearing in mind that some comments were just copy and pasted from the DM website. I'm not saying that mumsnetters can't be DM readers or express unpleasant views, but on this thread, things like saying we should vaccinate our cats and dogs first, was not a genuine post.

That was such a weird and unhelpful thing to do @ChristinaOxenden

What a disgusting thread. I’m ashamed of what the brexit mentality has done to the UK

What I find disgusting is the smear campaign against the AZ vaccine which will lead to many lost lives when people decline it and the fact that the EU have millions of unused AZ vaccines.

What I find disgusting is the smear campaign against the AZ vaccine which will lead to many lost lives when people decline it and the fact that the EU have millions of unused AZ vaccines.

I agree. The way people have behaved is hugely damaging now and in the future.

@IpanemaNova

What a disgusting thread. I’m ashamed of what the brexit mentality has done to the UK.

The EU have millions of AZ in storage. Keeping AZ destined for the UK when their disinformation campaign means that people in the EU don't want it is disgusting. Their disinformation campaign is a blatant attempt to prevent member states seeing any positives in leaving the EU. (I'm a Remainer btw and I suspect my opinion is pretty common )

If the Austrian government are right about an unfair allocation of vaccines then I think the EU need to focus on that rather than trying to slow down the UK vaccine programme

What a disgusting thread.

I agree. The general tone of absolute hatred towards sick and dying people in Europe is shameful.

fuck them
let them die
I'd vaccinate dogs first

I can't stand to look at these hateful posts that just keep coming any more. Hiding thread.

@Kendodd

What a disgusting thread.

I agree. The general tone of absolute hatred towards sick and dying people in Europe is shameful.

fuck them
let them die
I'd vaccinate dogs first

I can't stand to look at these hateful posts that just keep coming any more. Hiding thread.

Did you not read it was copied from the DM?

See the follow up post on it

@RedGoldAndGreene

If the Austrian government are right about an unfair allocation of vaccines then I think the EU need to focus on that rather than trying to slow down the UK vaccine programme

This is at the heart of the infighting

@Kendodd

What a disgusting thread.

I agree. The general tone of absolute hatred towards sick and dying people in Europe is shameful.

fuck them
let them die
I'd vaccinate dogs first

I can't stand to look at these hateful posts that just keep coming any more. Hiding thread.

You had one person saying that out of about 10-15 but sure... you disregard the valid concerns others have which don’t fit your narrative.

@Kendodd all of those comments were copy and pasted from the Daily Mail. Christina Oxenden admitted it above. Stupid thing to do. But yes, those comments from the Daily Mail commenters were disgusting.

You had one person saying that out of about 10-15 but sure... you disregard the valid concerns others have which don’t fit your narrative.

That's exactly how we ended up with Brexit and a Conservative government, some people will never learn that branding everyone who has a different opinion as a bigot is not the way to win people over.

[quote NutellaEllaElla]@Kendodd all of those comments were copy and pasted from the Daily Mail. Christina Oxenden admitted it above. Stupid thing to do. But yes, those comments from the Daily Mail commenters were disgusting.[/quote]
And people were slow to call it out.

And people were slow to call it out. Very slow. It was a stupid thing to do in the first place.
Anyway like others I'm out.

@Emeraldshamrock

And people were slow to call it out. Very slow. It was a stupid thing to do in the first place. Anyway like others I'm out.

🙄 Not everyone wants to engage with trolling comments on a thread

Stupid thread anyway. If you don’t get full agreement everyone is ‘out’

I voted YABU. I'm quite happy for us to discuss the Pfizer situation with them but not AstraZeneca since they are already sitting on stockpiles of that and they don't really seem to want it. Why, then, should we give them more?

The pharmaceutical companies that manufacture the vaccine are the ones that own it until they sell. The EU should have no right to stop them exporting it to where they like .The way the EU have behaved towards AstraZeneca us a case of no good deed goes unpunished. I wonder if AstraZeneca decided to stop manufacturing in the EU, could they do anything about it? Probably not.

To be honest, with the degree of vitriol going on at the moment on threads like this, it wasn't obvious to me that the poster was trolling. If everyone lets comments like this pass, it's a slippery slope to to the bottom.

People don't have to agree, either, but we don't have to recourse to hateful speech or accept it.

@IsFuzzyBeagMise

To be honest, with the degree of vitriol going on at the moment on threads like this, it wasn't obvious to me that the poster was trolling. If everyone lets comments like this pass, it's a slippery slope to to the bottom.

People don't have to agree, either, but we don't have to recourse to hateful speech or accept it.

You can report it

No need to engage with trolls if you’re not up to it.

Sometimes I do, sometimes I don’t.

I did report it MarshaBradyo and it was deleted straight away.

‘And people were slow to call it out.‘

Don’t feed trolls. They go away quicker if you ignore them.
If you start getting exercised and implying people agree with them because they don’t reply you are giving them exactly what they want, which is to stir and cause trouble.

That's true. I need to get my troll radar checked.

I don't think you are being unreasonable but I do think this is unrealistic.

This is a supply issue. Both the UK and the EU have the funds to purchase what they need, but what they need is not easy to make, and in short supply with high demand. It is a both skill and and bit of luck (bad luck for the EU) that AZ developed a working vaccine and Sanofi didn't. Things might be really different of they had been successful.

The EU is in a queue for supply as are we. I'd rather excess vaccines go to countries that can't even access the queue at the moment. However it is politically impossible to give up vaccines you have before the bulk of your willing citizens have got it, for any nation (including the EU nations). National govts are only accountable to their electorate not anyone else, so I struggle to see any democratic nation taking a drastically different approach than the UK govt has.

On the up side, hopefully we are a small nation that has ordered loads of vaccines and seem to be dishing them out fast, so will be able to be start giving up excess sooner rather than later.

@Kendodd
I'm really shocked at the lack of compassion. About 3,000 people in the EU died from covid yesterday, some posters seem to be positively celebrating this.

And on January 20th 1,820 people died in the UK that’s more than half the EU number on Wednesday - a population that is approximately one-seventh of the size of the EU. As far as I’m aware, no European country of similar sized population, has come close to the number of deaths we’ve had. I’m not unsympathetic, but we really do need to get those second vaccinations done, or we could find ourselves back in the same situation.

Most people stopped stockpiling stuff they didn't need about 12 months ago when they realised that there was no point to it. What is the point of the EU stockpiling AZ when they did everything they could to undermine confidence in it?

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/valneva-covid-vaccine-explained-b908322.html

Hopefully we'll have another vaccine by the end of the year

We need to vaccinate all those people who get a free flu jab (e.g. asthmatics that the government have decided to take out of group 6), plus any other vulnerable people, and all over 50s. We then should vaccinate all workers who are at risk due to working with the public - supermarket/transport/factory workers, teachers etc. We should also vaccinate over 45s as their risk is still high. Then maybe we should review what help we can give? I personally think we should vaccinate all over 16s before we give vaccines away as we do have the highest deaths in Europe.