To be a true feminism, I need to address my own misandry?

[FerrisWheelTrain]

For example - are terms like LTB sexist?

Ok I’m off! Back tomorrow for more fun! Thanks people xxxx

@FerrisWheelTrain

Ok I’m off! Back tomorrow for more fun! Thanks people xxxx

What a coward 😂😂

Not everything is women's job.
If men are struggling with toxic masculinity then they should be owning the issue.

It is not women's responsibility to try and save men. It is not women's responsibility to save those men who feel threatened by other men. Men need to sort it out themselves.

It is not women's responsibility to give up what little ground they have won over the last 100 years in the west at least to protect another at risk group.

As Mothers or partners we may choose to extend protections to those within our own families but it is unreasonable to expect other women to afford the men we know the same courtesy. Hence 'not all men' refers to the men we each know, but cannot be translated to the multitude.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@BadNomad - so when giving that advice, should we assume the man is guilty/in the wrong/a bastard?[/quote]
Yes. The man is not the focus. If someone says "my husband raped/punched/stole my life's savings from me" it's not for us to say "is that's really what happened?"

You are so far from a feminist it's unbelievable.

Op was angling in for the "gotcha" just then, but nobody fed them the right words

@Anniegetyourgun

Op was angling in for the "gotcha" just then, but nobody fed them the right words

Remember the OP is innocent until proved guilty

Misandry is a made up term coined by men who don't like to get called on their and their peers' shit.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@BadNomad - so when giving that advice, should we assume the man is guilty/in the wrong/a bastard?[/quote]
One forms a view of the protagonists in the OP based on the information provided. For instance, if a woman's male partner is beating the shit out of her on a regular basis, then one tends to assume that he is a jolly unpleasant fellow, and that perhaps it would be wise for her to escape the relationship as soon as it is possible to do so.

Or, to put it another way, to LTB.

hth

So when a poster describes an abusive relationship the replies should be questioning if the partner is really abusive 🤔
Encourage them to stay in harmful relationships! We could increase the number of women harmed by men each week, would that be a success for you?
If you have a problem with hating men why don't you use therapy instead of trying to blame one of the few places women can get support

@TwoBreakingIntoOne

So when a poster describes an abusive relationship the replies should be questioning if the partner is really abusive 🤔 Encourage them to stay in harmful relationships! We could increase the number of women harmed by men each week, would that be a success for you? If you have a problem with hating men why don't you use therapy instead of trying to blame one of the few places women can get support

Yes, @FerrisWheelTrain is suggesting that we disbelieve the poster until we hear the abuser’s side of the story, in case his feelings are hurt when a stranger on the internet says LTB.

This is a wind-up, right?

'If LTB has become a standardised acceptable answer is that ok? If men were using ‘ditch the bitch’ as a standardised acceptable response - is that ok? I personally don’t like it - and I’m allowed to challenge.'

Have you heard how men often talk about women and girls in real life? Read male dominated sites especially when they are talking about women/ girls? Stuff like p*nternet? The types of titles porn has?

Do you go and challenge them as well? On Reddit etc?

Just out of interest.

And if a friend came to me in real life and told me her OH was abusing her of course I would say, he's a bastard you need to leave him.

I mean. Obviously.

I’m back! Thank you for all your comments. Looks like I need to learn some serious lessons. So - am I right to think the following - in my pursuit of feminism:

1. that I should be educating my son and daughter that bastard is a perfectly acceptable term to use against anyone - especially a man (as per the dictionary definition). Bitch is never acceptable.
2. you should always presume a man is culpable if anyone speaks of abuse 3)misandry is not a word, and hate crimes are never committed against men. Is this what I need to learn? If so - I shall re-educate myself and be a better person. And I’m very grateful for your advise.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper - I’m asking if you agree with that statement. All men are guilty until proven innocent.[/quote]
Do you want to answer some of the questions put to you yesterday first?

Which men? Guilty of what?

@FerrisWheelTrain

I’m back! Thank you for all your comments. Looks like I need to learn some serious lessons. So - am I right to think the following - in my pursuit of feminism: 1) that I should be educating my son and daughter that bastard is a perfectly acceptable term to use against anyone - especially a man (as per the dictionary definition). Bitch is never acceptable. 2) you should always presume a man is culpable if anyone speaks of abuse 3)misandry is not a word, and hate crimes are never committed against men. Is this what I need to learn? If so - I shall re-educate myself and be a better person. And I’m very grateful for your advise.

Although I’m starting to feel bad for you. How desperate are you to goad people? And why?

@Pumperthepumper I did answer. Is it all men/some men or purely the men that are discussed on mumsnet? I’m perfectly open to hearing that the statement is wrong. Explain to me why it is wrong - as I need serious education.

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper I did answer. Is it all men/some men or purely the men that are discussed on mumsnet? I’m perfectly open to hearing that the statement is wrong. Explain to me why it is wrong - as I need serious education.[/quote]
Guilty of what?

[quote FerrisWheelTrain]@Pumperthepumper I did answer. Is it all men/some men or purely the men that are discussed on mumsnet? I’m perfectly open to hearing that the statement is wrong. Explain to me why it is wrong - as I need serious education.[/quote]
It’s impossible to explain that sentence to you because you made it up and it doesn’t make any sense. And you can’t even explain it.

I’m not being goady, I posed a question and I’ve summarised what I’ve learnt from this thread. The overwhelming opinion is that I’m completely wrong. So I’ve highlighted what opinions I need to change in order to move forwards and be a better person. I’ve been hugely criticised and no one has agreed with me at all. I’m accepting that I’m wrong.

@FerrisWheelTrain

I’m not being goady, I posed a question and I’ve summarised what I’ve learnt from this thread. The overwhelming opinion is that I’m completely wrong. So I’ve highlighted what opinions I need to change in order to move forwards and be a better person. I’ve been hugely criticised and no one has agreed with me at all. I’m accepting that I’m wrong.

Except you don’t really think any of that is really what people have said. And you left out that you hate the police too.

For what might be the tenth time - which men, guilty of what?

@FerrisWheelTrain

I’m not being goady, I posed a question and I’ve summarised what I’ve learnt from this thread. The overwhelming opinion is that I’m completely wrong. So I’ve highlighted what opinions I need to change in order to move forwards and be a better person. I’ve been hugely criticised and no one has agreed with me at all. I’m accepting that I’m wrong.

And also, you started this thread to talk about your own misandry - your own prejudices against men and how that’s affecting the way you raise your children.

So I’m would absolutely welcome your thought on ‘all men are guilty until proven innocent’ - as quoted from the article I linked. I’m accepting that it’s wrong, and I need to learn why that statement is wrong. As I’m clearly too stupid to understand.

@FerrisWheelTrain

So I’m would absolutely welcome your thought on ‘all men are guilty until proven innocent’ - as quoted from the article I linked. I’m accepting that it’s wrong, and I need to learn why that statement is wrong. As I’m clearly too stupid to understand.

Guilty of fucking what? Why is this so difficult for you to answer?

@Pumperthepumper but I’ve learnt that misandry doesn’t exist - and that hate crimes are never committed against men. So I don’t need to question it anymore - or be concerned about it.