Nan won't have vaccine

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But expects everyone to still be happy to meet with her once restrictions lift.

What would you do?

She says if it's her time it's her time, she's not bothered. Which is her choice of course but I obviously wouldn't feel that way about potentially having killed my Nan if I were the one to pass anything on!

She is 80. I am in my late 20s with young children in primary so still going to be a bit of a risk factor for a while.

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It's entirely her choice of course. Of course you still meet her when restrictions are lifted. Why wouldn't you? She's said she's willing to take the risk of catching covid. Vaccines are not compulsory.

Exactly this. Provided she has the mental capacity to take the risk then the decision is hers.

I've kept away from my mum who is a similar age, except when she's needed help with something, and we both wear masks at those times. I see it as protecting her, and she's happy with that. However if she chose to refuse the vaccine, I'd accept that she'd made the decision to take that risk, and would see her as regulations allowed.
As it happens, we've both had our first vaccination.

I don't understand what everyone is struggling with, it couldn't be easier.

Anyone can decide not to have the vaccine.
Anyone can decide not to see people who don't have the vaccine.*

All choices have consequences.

*Apart from when selfish twats lie and say they have had the vaccine when they haven't, they are removing choices from others while championing their own right to choose.

She has a right to refuse the vaccine. A lot of very stupid and selfish people are refusing the vaccine. But you have every right to not see her because of it.

A) you’d feel bad if you gave it to her
B) she’s putting you at risk
C) she’s putting anyone you know who CAN’T have the vaccine at risk

I have no interest in socialising with people who have refused the vaccine. She’s made her choice, and if she has to “die lonely” as a PP put it, so be it. Or, she’ll realise she’s being a complete dick, and call her GP to ask for it.

Well it's her choice, but she should be made aware of the consequences. Even if I'd had both my jabs I would be reluctant to meet with someone who has chosen not to. Tell her she will still have to wear a mask, social distance, no hugging etc. It could be easily transmitted to others who were not able to be vaccinated.

I have no interest in socialising with people who have refused the vaccine. She’s made her choice, and if she has to “die lonely” as a PP put it, so be it. Or, she’ll realise she’s being a complete dick, and call her GP to ask for it
And this horrible attitude is exactly why I, and many others, will lie about having the vaccine 🤣

[quote DropDTuning]@XenoBitch
I wont be having the vaccine (for MH reasons) and I am prepared to lie to friends who get funny about seeing me without it.

@Dontyouwantme
Personally I’ll be gladly and unashamedly lying that I’ve had the vaccine. I imagine quite a lot of people will be doing the same to avoid becoming a social pariah grin

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Not sure why you're 'grinning'. Being a liar, endangering other people's health and taking away others' ability to make a free informed choice is about as low as it gets.[/quote]
Couldn't agree more.

I can't believe there are people out there prepared to treat their friends so shabbily and appallingly.

Respect her decision, it’s her body and I personally would just accept it

She's ok with dying that's fine, but is she ok with giving it to you then you and your children passing it onto some vulnerable person who may die from it?
These people are selfish because they don't seem to understand the overall consequences of their actions.

And this horrible attitude is exactly why I, and many others, will lie about having the vaccine

You're the one with the horrible attitude, and yours is dangerous. You honestly disgust me.

I would probably accept it, as she's really the one at risk, not your kids. And you can''t force someone to have a vaccine. However, I would probably insist on a degree of social distancing: i.e. your kids can be with her, but no hugs or sitting on her lap.

Her body, her life, her choice and I would completely respect that.

BUT

If she refused to be vaccinated, I would refuse to see her until I was safely vaccinated because I’m asthmatic and I’m taking no chances with this disease. My body, my life, my choice.

It’s equally selfish to dismiss mental health concerns over the effects of lockdown but that sure as hell hasn’t stopped people on here from doing just that.

Refusing to get vaccinated IS dismissing mental health concerns over the effects of lockdown, as vaccination is one of the main keys to relaxation of lockdown.

But in someone of OP's nan's age, I wouldn't get up in arms about it, as the vast majority of her age group have had the jab, so a few holdouts aren't likely to make a big difference to transmission.

So, if she "chooses " to risk covid without vaccine protection, she's choosing to be admitted to hospital, maybe take up an ICU bed for months. A bed that could have been used by some other patient with cancer or requiring a new hip, whose admission is cancelled because Nan excercised her free choice.

If she gets vaccinated she might still get covid but is far less likely to need a hospital bed or ICU.

That's her choice.

Or, if she refuses vaccination, perhaps she should register a formal Medical Directive that in the event she catches covid, she refuses ventilation, tube feeding, or any other hospital covid care.

It's entirely a persons choice whether or not they want the vaccine but it's so wrong to lie about it imo. What about the other person's choice?

What if your 'friend' you'd lied to about being vaccinated had an underlying condition or something. That's so irresponsible and a horrible thing to do.

It's your choice to have the vaccine or not but it's other people's choice whether they want to then see you or not. I won't call you selfish for choosing not to have it, but you 100% are for thinking it's okay to lie to other people that you have, taking away their choice in the matter. Why do you think their right to choose who they see is any less important than yours not to be vaccinated?

If you don't want to have the vaccine at least own your decision.

It's the lying part that is utterly selfish. Be proud if you want but it doesn't make you a good person.

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To insist on refusing the vaccine, and to refuse to socialize with people who insist that you should have the vaccine, is your right, though not a decision that I'd make.

However, to lie about it IS disgusting! It prevents the others from making their choice about what risks to take. What if someone who is clinically vulnerable, or who lives or works with someone who is clinically vulnerable, thinks you're safe to meet and then gets very ill and/or causes someone else to be seriously ill? Yes, I hope they'd have had their vaccines themselves, but no vaccine works 100 per cent.

@jellybellybanana - I am with you 100%.

Most are vaccinated already, everyone else can'r wait
Aw, that’s what I’ve been telling my friends and family too! And they too believe it