Nicola Sturgeon has done a number on the English left.

[derxa]

A white wash report. Misuse of public money. Shower of incompetents in SNP government. Rotten education. Using covid as a political tool.
I could weep for my country.
Yet people like James O'Brien continue to arse lick Nicola

@Highwoman

Jeezo, anyone from outside the UK reading this will immediately understand why Scotland wants its independence.

I doubt many people from outside the UK care tbh. I really doubt they care enough to read 6 pages of this thread.

I would contest the phrase, 'Scotland wants its independence,' though. If Scotland spoke with one voice on this issue, it'd be independent by now.

True.

@derxa how is Janet Godly 'very nasty about bereaved people'?!

Janey * autocorrect

@StoneofDestiny hit the nail on the head. I too am now of the many English people married to someone Scottish, live in Scotland and vote for SNP/independence. Also, people do definitely need to check where Hadrian's Wall actually is!!

Why is it a cheek?

Two fold.

1. The UK government frequently tell the other 3 home nations "you've had your budget, that's it" but will then go borrow some more when England need/want something.
2. You then try to claim that debt is all 4 home nations responsibility and we all have to pay our share.

And as PP pointed out, if the money is ‘all of ours’, why are you objecting to us ‘borrowing from ourselves’?

Because England try, and often do, stop the other 3 home nations from borrowing from ourselves too. Case in point the furlough debacle last year.

Scotland has been more in deficit than the other countries for a number of years. Taken from the gov website:

I've already explained to you the Budget (Scotland) Act prevents Scotland from running a deficit. The figures you quote are from the GERS report, which is horrific for accounting because it fails to use the same basis for accounting for revenue and expenditure, and that builds in an automatic bias to overstate the Scottish 'deficit'.
This 'deficit' is an estimation/guess at what Scotland's deficit could be if it were an independent country and assumes that a) our revenue would stay exactly the same (it wouldn't see pp about how revenue is worked out) and b) Scotland accepted the portion of the UK debt Westminster has decided it should have (it might but would have to be negotiated first).

This is like me and you putting all our money into a joint account, me taking your access away, spending most of our cash on me, maxing out our overdraft, and then saying you're shite at budgeting, look at your deficit, you wouldn't survive without me.

There's an assumption here that England has got anything to do with Scottish politics. It hasn't, Scotland has subsidised England for too long.

It's about people taking control of their own soverignty. Good enough for South East England and the Biffers, good enough for everyone else. Anything else is hypocritical.

Time Wales went their own way too and started charging the market rate for all the water plus everything extorted for the last 70 years.

In what way does Scotland subsidise England?

@j712adrian

There's an assumption here that England has got anything to do with Scottish politics. It hasn't, Scotland has subsidised England for too long.

It's about people taking control of their own soverignty. Good enough for South East England and the Biffers, good enough for everyone else. Anything else is hypocritical.

Time Wales went their own way too and started charging the market rate for all the water plus everything extorted for the last 70 years.

England subsidises Scotland. The U.K. purse had to bail Scotland out a billion pounds because the SNP fluffed the taxes.