Nicola Sturgeon has done a number on the English left.

[derxa]

A white wash report. Misuse of public money. Shower of incompetents in SNP government. Rotten education. Using covid as a political tool.
I could weep for my country.
Yet people like James O'Brien continue to arse lick Nicola

Because she's articulate and persuasive and the English media don't question her very stringently. Even Piers Morgan was sucking up to her.

I still don’t know what you mean - that’s the English media, not the English left.

And I don’t see why a Scottish politician, the Scottish leader of a Scottish party whose main aim is Scottish independence from England, needs to worry about the English left anyway?

Also quite funny that you see ‘articulate and persuasive’ as negative traits for a politician.

I am no fan of Nicola Sturgeon. I agree we have a shower of incompetents at Holyrood (as we do at Westminster) with few exceptions.

I believe (as do many of my Labour, Lib Dem and Conservative friends) believe she's managed Covid well and kept everyone informed. I think our NHS is in a better place than the English and Welsh systems. I don't have any interaction with the school system other than as an employer and I certainly feel the standard of school leavers in terms of confidence, maturity and basic skills has improved in the past 10 years.

I do think the SNP as an organisation is corrupt, undemocratic and out of touch with reality.

I lay the fault of that firmly at the door of the Labour Party. They have been incredibly weak in opposition, no real challenge, low calibre representatives and no vision or cohesion. They make the Conservatives look good (a dire bunch with only one exception). Lib Dems are invisible.

I say all this as a Labour Party member. I'd also remind the Sturgeonites how the cult of personality brought down Labour.

Why would the English meeting even need to question her stringently? NS represents the interests of the people who vote for her in Scotland, not English voters.
English media and the English left are irrelevant.

This thread makes no sense. You seem to want to articulate something but there's 'too much to say'?

I am so so bored of this notion that somehow NS has duped people into supporting her. For many people, separation from Westminster is the biggest political issue in their lifetime. Who on earth would they not vote for the party that represents the path to achieving it?

Every thread about the SNP claims that its supporters are under a spell, in some sort of cult, and generally not intelligent.

Every thread someone also posts that you dare not speak out against the SNP as you get to much abuse.

Absolute crap, IME.

And yet Johnson has broken the ministerial code, given billions to unqualified people to provide PPE, and a tracing system that simply does not work.

I think if NS has 'done a number' on anyone in England (whatever the fuck you think 'done a number' means) it's that she has shown her face every single day and answered an hour of journalists' questions live on TV. She has looked present and thoughtful throughout, whereas her WM counterpart has often been posted missing for weeks on end.

*English media not meeting obv.

She hasn't managed covid any better than rest of UK.

That's the issue, it's a triumph of presentation.

I'd also remind the Sturgeonites how the cult of personality brought down Labour.

I think the Labour party managed that quite well by themselves, are some of you losing faith in the woman of the people Baroness Ruth Davidson?

@JustAnotherPoster00

I'd also remind the Sturgeonites how the cult of personality brought down Labour.

I think the Labour party managed that quite well by themselves, are some of you losing faith in the woman of the people Baroness Ruth Davidson?

I think that’s what that poster meant, I agree actually, that Labour became a victim of themselves and the same could easily happen to SNP.

I was grateful that we had her rather than bojo.

However I now feel like I've been manipulated by the Wizard of Oz!,😅

I assume the OP has their own biases so really this whole thread is just a string of political positioning.

I think NS has done a good job for the SNP. She is a politician and has been successful at that.

As a person who dislikes the current nationalist incarnation of the Conservatives, I am supportive of much of NS' rhetoric although it doesn't apply to me directly.

Whatever you think of her, that is for the Scottish to determine. It has nothing to do with the English media, left or anything else English. And as others have observed, in comparison to ministers who award £multi-million contracts to their mates or bully people out of their jobs, or describe British citizens is racist terms in newspapers, what has she actually done - well, apart from having been exonerated of wrongdoing by an independent enquiry, of course. Or is that your beef - that your own personal opinion didn't sway the independent review?

To be clear, I neither support nor do I not support Nicola Sturgeon. I am a grown up and to me politics is about, well, politics. I look at the issues and determine my voting preferences based on that - not in media witchhunts or the cult of a personality. If more people did that then you might not end up with the governments that you deserve.

I think that’s what that poster meant, I agree actually, that Labour became a victim of themselves and the same could easily happen to SNP.

Ah you could be right I thought pp meant Scottish Labour, as far as the UK PLP I think many factors contributed to the epic 2019 loss but the cult of personality around Corbyn was only a part of that, seem to be the same people saying the same thing about Sturgeon as they were about Corbyn so I personally use it as a good indicator

Why would NS give a shit about the English left? Leave Scottish politics to Scotland (please). Even if you don’t like NS (and the real vitriol against her is something I genuinely don’t get), it’s the opposition parties that are a large part of the problem up here. Scottish Labour are an unelectable joke, and their new leader will not improve things. The Tories are, well, Tories, and are generally not popular up here anyway - not helped by how the Westminster govt we didn’t vote for are cocking things up.

Don’t you mean she’s doing a number on Scottish people?

In terms of labour getting in power across the whole UK, scottish politicians and voters have traditionally contributed to the UK left.

Scottish independence won't help the English left.

Not sure if that's what op had in mind though.

@JustThisPost

Don’t you mean she’s doing a number on Scottish people?

Exactly!

YANBU - it is bizarre how the left lap her up.

She has presided over an education catastrophe. It is devastating.

I think that’s what that poster meant, I agree actually, that Labour became a victim of themselves and the same could easily happen to SNP. Yes that will happen but it will be very slow.

@JustThisPost

Don’t you mean she’s doing a number on Scottish people?

And that too

@derxa what’s the issue with the English left though?

They are dozy?

Twelve (?) women have been let down by this whole episode, the twelve who made complaints about Alex Salmond's behaviour.

As opposed to thousands if not millions by Boris Johnson's, some of whom cannot hold him to account now as they have died.

When they were initially in goverment the SNP were a minority government. They were one seat short of a majority. The fact that they have gone from that to the position they are in is surely the fault of the opposition and to blame the SNP for it seems odd.

I honestly can and will not bow to this notion of 'if she broke the ministerial code she will be expected to resign' because she forgot about a bloody meeting or something.

Johnson is probably guilty of the manslaughter of thousands; it's never even discussed in the media at all. He'll never pay for his arrogance and indecisiveness or his cold-blooded 'just let all the old people die and we'll crack on without them' attitude.

And we're supposed to vilify a woman who may have spoken to someone on this date but not that date?

Do me a fucking favour.