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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
GoWalkabout · 19/03/2021 10:31

She should get on a housing association list. If eligible. Say no!

TheGracefulwhale · 19/03/2021 10:33

Quite a simple "no, I'm not converting my garage to save your bacon after you've blown your fortune. No I'm not living through building work and upheaval and paying for the privilege just for you to decide when you come and go. And no, you don't get to invite yourself to live with us. Have a nice day".

Honestly, this woman is in her 50's. She needs to live with her decisions.

Easterbunnygettingready · 19/03/2021 10:34

Make it clear to dh if she turns up you will be leaving in her custom made VW....

myusernamewastakenbyme · 19/03/2021 10:35

Oh god no way....you need to make it very clear to your husband that this will not happen.

SimplyMarvellousDarrrrrrling · 19/03/2021 10:37

She's an adult. She's made her choices, she knew the rules. It's not for you to pick up the pieces and disrupt your lives
Tell her it's not going to happen, be blunt. She's playing on you being nice. Fuck that

Zancah · 19/03/2021 10:37

She'll never change. As the years go on, and she gets skinter, you'll be paying for everything. In five years time you could be feeding & clothing her and paying all sort of bills.

Put a stop to it now.

EL8888 · 19/03/2021 10:37

No. She’s being a massive CF already, you have given an inch and she’s taken a mile already. As you said she has made her decisions and she needs to live by them. Why should she make it all your problem?

80sMum · 19/03/2021 10:37

YANBU. Your sil needs to accept the consequences of her own decisions.

Rosieposy89 · 19/03/2021 10:39

She needs to get a job and fund her own lifestyle choices. Is she expecting you to fund the building work?

SugarCoatIt · 19/03/2021 10:40

Very much not your or your DPs problem.

Please don't let your DP go anywhere near converting the garage, its time for your SIL to have a reality check, appreciate this needs to be delivered in a rather sensitive manner but you are not responsible for other people's happiness, or for her.

She has options, she's made some foolish ones, but hindsight's a wonderful thing, she's not financially destitute as such, even if she has blown a whack of money, she still has assets, and like you rightly pointed out she could still go and work and get a job prior to her pension kicking in.

You'll have to establish some firm boundaries now, relatives like this tend to need to be treated almost like children in terms of consistency and boundaries.

KitchenFairy · 19/03/2021 10:40

No.

You know when she can’t afford to replace the lodge she’ll end up living permanently with you.

Just no.

ThePlantsitter · 19/03/2021 10:41

This is a classic time to use the adage 'you can't control what she does only what you do'. She has options; you've told her them. This is not about how you're treating her it's about what YOU want to do. Which is not build an annexe on your house.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 19/03/2021 10:43

Rent-free presumably? If anything went wrong or got broken in the studio flat, who would be responsible for fixing it?

Candleabra · 19/03/2021 10:43

Don't be so passive. You're talking as though it's inevitable that your husband will start to convert your garage as if you have no mind if your own.

Warning: if you do this for your sister in law it won't be enough. Nothing will. Some people are takers - and believe the world owes them and everyone should dance to their tune.
You're going to have to have a showdown with her eventually, better sooner rather than later.

AlCalavicci · 19/03/2021 10:44

Who would pay for all the work to be done on the extension ?
If she can afford it then she can afford to rent somewhere for the months she can not stay in her caravan.
If she can not afford it why the bugger should you scrip and save to bale her out ?

WeatherwaxLives · 19/03/2021 10:45

If she wants to continue living in her lodge 10 months of the year then she needs to look at 'winter lets' for the other 2 months - it's where holiday cottages are let out for longer terms over the winter, cheaper than they are in the summer.

Where on earth she can go for the covid closure I don't know. Our local area has static caravan parks where people who live there for the whole 10 months have been allowed exceptions to carry on living there, but if she's fallen out with the owner then they probably won't be wanting to put themselves out for her!

GrandDuchessRomanov · 19/03/2021 10:46

You might want to take advice from Alan Bennett over this OP :)

ChocOrange1 · 19/03/2021 10:46

YANBU. Under no circumstances would i convert the garage. People like this, who just do what they want and don't think about the consequences always get away with it. Someone always bails them out. Don't be that someone.

Tell her the garage is your private paradise and you don't want her living in it and you're very offended she suggested it.

sueelleker · 19/03/2021 10:46

@Easterbunnygettingready

Make it clear to dh if she turns up you will be leaving in her custom made VW....
With no electricity.
Mrgrinch · 19/03/2021 10:47

Jesus Christ, she lives the dream doesn't she.

I would 10000% not be converting your garage. I'd rather have a home bar/ gym/ anything other than a place for her to lodge.

bookworm29x · 19/03/2021 10:47

No. YANBU. Why doesn't she sell the lodge and the camper van and get a bed sit or small flat to rent instead? Or even ask the council to help.
She's being a huge CF, autism or not she hasn't considered your feelings at all. What if you want to move one day? You won't be able too as you'll be stuck with her.
does she pay towards anything now whilst living with you?

BrumBoo · 19/03/2021 10:47

No, she absolutely shouldn't expect you to essentially house her.

However, she is in a vulnerable if she's been diagnosed with autism, and the older she gets the more vulnerable she will become. There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality, and her disaster with finances could well be part of her condition. In this sense she really does need help and support rather be told she's an 'adult who needs to get on with it'. Could she possibly be referred to a support worker or ask social services which agency would be most appropriate before she finds herself destitute?

lastqueenofscotland · 19/03/2021 10:48

If my DP even entertained the idea of converting the garage for one of his siblings I’d be making it unequivocally clear that if he did he’d not be seeing me again.

Agree with PP stop being so passive and start saying no.

Sceptre86 · 19/03/2021 10:48

This is would not be happy with. She had wasted a lot of money and any idiot would have realised that a holiday home was not a long term solution to her living needs. She is a grown adult and asd or not is not anyone else's responsibility but her own. If anything it would fall to her son to make an annexe for her or help with her living situation not her brother and even then it is pushing it. Who would pay to convert the garage would she sell up the campervan to pay for it? Who would pay the extra bills, food? What if you decide to move, woupd she have to come with you? Be clear about your feelings if your oh is considering it then he clearly isn't on the same page as you.

Sceptre86 · 19/03/2021 10:49

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