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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Cocomarine · 19/03/2021 11:25

@monkeysox

She can rent the camper van out Easter to Oct. She'd make loads.
She would, but if she won’t rent out the lodge because it’s “hers”, not way in hell is she going to like the idea of renting out a custom sprayed and custom leather fitted to her favourite colour camper!

More money then sense.

Grimbelina · 19/03/2021 11:26

This sounds very hard and not sure what the solution is... but so disappointed that so many PPs have no idea just how ASD can affect people, and especially women in midlife (very little research or support).

starrynight21 · 19/03/2021 11:27

If you let your DH convert the garage, your next post will be "SiL wants to live with us 12 months a year"

ClarkeGriffin · 19/03/2021 11:28

She's 50, not 5. She was capable of making all those decisions after being told how stupid they were. She's made her bed, if she chooses to believe she can keep living like this, let her. Don't convert the garage for her.

Tell her she needs to make a choice. Either sell the van, the lodge, buy a small house suitable for her and get a job, or end up as a struggling pensioner. It's her choice, but make it clear you are not her safety net.

LookItsMeAgain · 19/03/2021 11:28

@Tooshytoshine

She has assets in the van and the holiday let, and has held a professional job so is an adult capable of looking after herself. My parents had a similar issue with BiL who moved to Turkey after early retirement, lived off UK property sale for a couple of decades as a bare functioning alcoholic expat and returned destitute with a plan to put a static caravan on land adjacent to their house. To cut a long story short, this didn't happen and he is fine - and living in a property preferable to an old age spent in a caravan.

Personally, I would side step the issue. Tell her that there is no point converting the garage when you don't know your own retirement plans (which are none of her business), and it is better that she looks into other long term options as you are not the solution. If questioned, reflect it back at her and remind her how important (read: selfish and shortsighted) her own retirement plans were to her and how she wanted privacy, luxury and independence - all things you want for yourselves and can't provide for her.

Exactly this! ^
YoniAndGuy · 19/03/2021 11:28

It is worth pointing out very strongly to your DH that one of the reasons this has to be a hard no - maybe THE main reason - is that if she moved in with you, your relationships would soon be utterly destroyed. You would both end up hating her. She would hate you. It's likely that after a year or more of the many, many difficulties living with an inflexible person like this - and, to a certain extent, caring for her - that once she'd shredded your marriage she'd flounce off anyway after the millionth attempt to explain normal boundaries, normal respectful living.

BECAUSE of the ASD, it is likely that your best shot at being able to help her build a suitable life where you can step up to being a longer- term support without utterly burning out is if there is distance. For you, so you can have a normal life. For her, so that she isn't constantly thrown, puzzled, on the attack at what will be perceived as your unfiarness/injustice towards her. You won't be able to get on in the longer term.

Also, it would seem as if the only way that the impossibility of her situation can be got through to her is, initially, through 'tough love.' If you provide a home, she won't ever sell the chalet thing. She needs to, and she has capacity, so FORCE that by not letting her stay. If she's increasingly unable to work things out and then you present her with a lovely park home option - she may go for that.

You really cannot 'give in' to this - because it won't help her. It's more likely to end with the mother of all screaming rows in two years' time and her taking off in her colourful camper van having reduced the pair of you to nervous wrecks.

letthegrassgrow · 19/03/2021 11:30

I think the "problem " here is that she (not you) has created herself a problem and expects you to help resolve it. I wouldn't. Give her your best suggestions. If you don't want her at yours, which is reasonable, be clear with yourself and your DH about that, and then tell her. End of.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 19/03/2021 11:30

@Sundances

I know people in a ?is it Park Home. Small chalet house but all year round. Could she sell up where she is and move to one of those.
Park homes can be good but they’re pricey in some areas. You’d be looking at over 100k for an older model in my neck of the woods, probably more in a nice seaside place, plus like the lodge, they have to be replaced eventually so buying a cheap one night mean she has to find the money for a new one when she’s 80 or so.

Would she see a financial planner? It sounds like she’s heading for absolute disaster when she retires and needs someone to help her plan out her money.

BrumBoo · 19/03/2021 11:30

@oneglassandpuzzled yes but for every story like yours, there are many of those with autism that are very similar to the op/her sister-in-law. It's easy to say 'oh you don't know if it's the autism or just her being a cheeky fucker', but the fact is she is diagonal autistic and its more likely than not having an effect on how she can organise herself, or understand how her stubborn ideas aren't workable.

RandomMess · 19/03/2021 11:31

Sell the lodge and camper van and but a retirement flat/shared ownership place.

She may or may not have to work.

DH may have to choose between his sister and your marriage if he doesn't deal with his guilt!

Clymene · 19/03/2021 11:33

I would send your husband to see a financial planner with her. Right now, you're facilitating her poor decisions which isn't ultimately very helpful.

I think you have to be quite straight with her.

My sympathies. I have a child with autism and I can see him being like this as an adult.

RandomMess · 19/03/2021 11:35

Isn't property in Ireland much cheaper? She could sell up and buy outright there as an option?

Cocomarine · 19/03/2021 11:36

@Grimbelina

This sounds very hard and not sure what the solution is... but so disappointed that so many PPs have no idea just how ASD can affect people, and especially women in midlife (very little research or support).
Yes, but the middle aged women being affected here is the OP, don’t forget that.

There are plenty of replies with understanding of autism.

IseeIsee · 19/03/2021 11:36

You will get zero thanks for helping SIL.

The fact that she sold her property and bought a property that she can not live in for 12 months tells you that she felt that she could just use whoever to fill in the gap. She didn't think about others or whether they would agree to it or not, she just made life plans with the intentions that others would just fit into her decisions. Anyone I know with this personality type, never ever acknowledges that they have been helped. In fact, they tend to make out they are a victim and hard done by if people aren't constantly jumping to their tune.

Say no now if your DH wants some sort of relationship with his DS. If you say yes, she will live with you full time and use you until a full blow out occurs and you are no longer on speaking terms. She will just move on to the next person whilst your DH will be left hurt. Some people are just takers. I know a few and when you finally have had enough, you are the worst person in the world even if you had bent over backwards for years to help them.

Remona · 19/03/2021 11:36

Please do not let your DH convert the garage. You will never be rid of her.

Whilst I understand his concern for his sister, you’ve offered solutions which she has declined (selling the camper van, hiring out the holiday home). She’s made her bed. If she moves in, you’re the ones who’ll be paying the price.

DisappearingGirl · 19/03/2021 11:38

Ooh I feel for you. I have a family member a bit like this - in her early 60s now. She's never been diagnosed but I very strongly suspect she has ASD. She's not a bad person at all, is quite caring deep down, and in particular loves animals. However she struggles socially, can be extremely irritating, and tends to fall out with everyone or get their back up in some way. She can be very selfish where her own (often self-made) problems trump everything else - even though when her family/friends see the problem in advance, she won't listen one bit.

I really feel for her as due to all this she's had a tough life and has never really been able to work or have a proper relationship. She's lonely and resentful. We try and support her at a distance, but having her live with/near me would send me over the edge I think!

By all means be supportive where you can. However I really think you should put the boundaries in now and not have her live with you!! You can't change her or solve all her problems, unfortunately.

Blueberries0112 · 19/03/2021 11:40

If you let her, she probably take advantage of your generosity and soon you feel like you have no privacy and an audience at all time. It also means you can’t come and go as you like assuming you don’t want her to have your house key

Popetthetreehugger · 19/03/2021 11:40

Iv only skim read , so apologies If already said but I think you’d have to pay double council tax if you make a self contained flat at home , also agree with previous poster ...isn’t it cheaper in Ireland ?

FishWithoutABike · 19/03/2021 11:40

While YANBU the situation in reality is not going to get better by refusing to accommodate her. It highly likely because of her ASC diagnosis she struggles with executive functioning. So future planning, organising multiple aspects of living and money management will all be affected. She didn't choose to find these things difficult and you DH didn’t choose his family. But that’s the situation. He loves her and feels responsible for her because he’s a good man.
I would have a serious sit down. Be very frank and make lists of different options. Personally I think you should attempt to encourage her to sell her lodge and/or van now and move in to the garage. Show her how the cost will add up over the years and give her lots of time to come round to the idea. Failing that be there and support your DH with what he feels is best.

MirandaWestsNewBFF · 19/03/2021 11:41

I’m siding with all the posters saying no, do not convert part of your house to accommodate her.

It sounds like it’s time to for her to make some hard decisions. She can sell the lodge and camper van, get a job and buy somewhere that she can live in all year round. Or, as a compromise, she could rent both lodge and camper van out to people for part of the year when she’s not using them, so that she can keep them for part of the time, but they’re paying their way and providing the income source she needs.

The current situation is not working and I think in all honesty, your relationship with her would break down if she becomes too dependent on you.

harknesswitch · 19/03/2021 11:42

No, she'll have to get a job and rent somewhere. She can't expect you to make alterations to your house to accommodate her?

My parents bought a static caravan and lived in it for 18 months, but during jan
and Feb they rented a small house. Easy to say now, but she should have realised and budgeted for this. Plus what will happen, and how will she afford another new lodge in 20 yrs time?

LookItsMeAgain · 19/03/2021 11:42

@RandomMess

Isn't property in Ireland much cheaper? She could sell up and buy outright there as an option?
You are hilarious! Property in Ireland is not cheap. By anyones imagination. For example, using the property website www.myhome.ie and looking for properties in Dublin (any part of it) for up to €100k, I find 5 x sites (then you have planning and building costs on top of that) and 2 units that are going to auction so are likely to make more than that. In other parts of the country there may be properties but we do currently have a housing crisis. Also, her son may prefer to have the distance that being on a whole other island gives him.
Cocomarine · 19/03/2021 11:43

Ireland has quite a high cost of living. Can she even just move there anyway, given that we’re not in the EU? And in any case the connection to Ireland appears to be a son moving there who doesn’t sound in a rush to want the responsibility of her.

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:44

My son has 'high functioning autism'/ASC1. You have to be very firm with him and very clear, no wishy washiness or waffling, and stick with it. You simply cannot give him an inch or he will take a mile. You can be concerned, but honestly, unless you want a very difficult person living with you forever, then right now you need to tell her NO and mean it.

Could she possibly be referred to a support worker or ask social services which agency would be most appropriate before she finds herself destitute?

She sounds like she won't engage. A lot of people with this condition won't.

And again, OP, if you take her on as a problem, then it will be yours forever. I mean, forever.

I do the best I can to give my son tools and love him dearly, but tbh, I'd rather be dead than have him live with me forever. He's very difficult to live with and he actually does a lot better with other people.

You need to speak to your husband and make this all very clear because yes, it is a hill worth dying on. If he's not a unite front, quite honestly, you seriously need to re-evaluate things because I can promise you that will get stuck with her forever and she will not be pleasant.

This whole 'help her get on the housing list' is pointless because many areas don't have lists anymore and will only entertain a claim when the person is homeless. Similar with social work and services.

hansgrueber · 19/03/2021 11:44

@80sMum

YANBU. Your sil needs to accept the consequences of her own decisions.
Surely she has a decent pension already from her police service unless she left under a cloud.