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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

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DisappearingGirl · 19/03/2021 12:04

She's unwilling to engage with support from the sounds of it, again, this is an issue with some with this condition, it certainly is with my son. It's her way or the highway. Again, my son is a lot like this. So you have to be very firm with people like this. Again, my son, you give him an inch and he'll take a mile, has similar far-fetched ideas, entitlement and stubbornness. You can't help people like this by enabling them, sadly.

This describes my family member to a T. She cannot help being difficult, selfish and a pain to live with. However that doesn't change the sad reality that she is difficult, selfish and a pain to live with. She is also entitled and stubborn (again, not her fault, but still a fact). We try to offer advice but she won't hear it - then later wants to complain endlessly that things have gone wrong and the world is against her. I feel a lot of empathy for her, but the reality is her life will always be this way. I will support her as far as I can but that doesn't go as far as ruining my own life (which incidentally still wouldn't "fix" hers).

C3SC · 19/03/2021 12:06

[quote nanbread]@C3SC your posts are the perfect example of the ignorance I speak of.[/quote]
Or maybe I have undiagnosed high functioning autism and that's what I'm so arrogant and selfish?

crosspelican · 19/03/2021 12:10

What do you think her assets come to altogether? She has the van, the lodge and what else? Does she definitely want to stay in this country for her retirement? If she wants to stay here, whereabouts?

Not wanting to plan for your old age doesn't mean you can just make it somebody else's problem - she HAS to make a plan for going back to work and buying a home. Is your husband unable to talk to her frankly, or do you think she lacks the mental capacity to absorb the practicalities?

To be honest, she could rent that van out for about £500 a week during holiday season - we've looked at renting a nicely fitted out van and I couldn't believe it! She could rent the lodge out too, as you say, and between the two she would be able to rent (or get a small mortgage on?) a one bedroom flat somewhere and be very comfortable, and have access to her lodge and van when they weren't in use.

She could very easily have a high season gross income of as much as £1500 a week. She wouldn't need to have much occupancy to make that go a very long way.

Given her ASD, there could be a way of pitching it to her that she would eventually latch on to firmly.

BrumBoo · 19/03/2021 12:10

@Blueberries0112

“There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality”

There is. Some people didn’t even know they are autistic

Not the same thing. People confuse 'high function autism' with essentially being neuro-typical but a bit eccentric or socially different. It's simple not the case, every person with autism have parts that they hugely struggle with, just as much as someone with 'severe autism'.
blue25 · 19/03/2021 12:10

You need to say no! What a ridiculous situation, it isn’t your problem and you’ve already helped out lots. She sounds a complete nightmare!

DishingOutDone · 19/03/2021 12:13

Could she get support from something like the Police Benevolent Fund? I'm not talking about a handout but more like a welfare officer or signposting to mental health support? I agree with OP social services wont be interested. They'll just say she has adequate support from her family who are about to convert part of their house for her exclusive use!

LunaHeather · 19/03/2021 12:14

She is clearly capable of managing her own life.

Say no. The end.

Rosieposy89 · 19/03/2021 12:14

If her autism does make her vulnerable, puts her at risk of poor financial planning then she needs proper professional support, such as a social worker. Moving her in to your place doesn't help anyone, she needs support to sort her own independence and security. Sacrificing your security and wellbeing isn't the answer. I mean anything could happen to your DH and you would be stuck with her. I'd support her with accessing relevant support but leave her to it if she refuses

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/03/2021 12:15

Idk your Sil’s lodge is but there are still studio flats to be had for 60k in some areas and terraced houses in cheaper places.

If she won’t sell her lodge and move into a flat or small house, maybe she could sell the camper. Both the lodge and the camper are depreciating so the reality should be to she sacrifice one if not both for stability.

Of course you can’t force her to do either of these things. But you can tell her no to staying at your house again. And definitely not to converting the garage. My understanding is that 2 kitchens = 2 lots of council tax. She’s expecting you to pay the cost of converting the garage, probably the utitilites and ct... and not dip into her money at all.

Its going to cost you loads. Why should you bail her out because she’s decided upon this idyllic lifestyle, which has the caveat of being homeless for 1/4 or so of the year?

I get she has hf autism. My Fil isn’t diagnosed but has so many very classic traits. He’s a nightmare to reason with. I’ve had some really difficult looooong discussions persuading him to do things for his benefit... and this is after he’s agreed to doing x. The only way to get him to do something othave to write it down in a step by step process only for him to forget all about the notes, remembered point 1, acted upon it, gone on a tangent and done y. So I really do understand. But if you put up boundaries to her and repeat by rote the position, hopefully she will get it eventually.

Mummyoflittledragon · 19/03/2021 12:16

Oops didn’t mean to post. Was just correcting a sentence. But anyway, I get it op. It’s hard. If my fil did something like your SIL has done, dh and I would be beside ourselves with worry.

willibald · 19/03/2021 12:16

@ShipOfTheseus

I think there’s some harsh replies on this. I’m quite shocked. Some people just aren’t very good at coping and managing things, especially with ASD. They are vulnerable and need support. A proper plan needs to be put in place, because no doubt the situation is just going to worsen with age. Not saying that you convert your garage into a studio. But a long term solution needs to be found. And she will need help with this. Obviously, her refusal to rent out the static home is problematic. It’s an easy solution and the most obvious - for now.
Ever lived with a person like this? She has to want to engage with help and a 'proper plan', but the strong possibility is that she will not unless it's made very clear to her that her solution, living how she likes until time to sell the lodge and then live how she likes with her brother and SIL, is not going to happen. Then prepare, because she may also fall out with the OP and her brother when she doesn't get her way.

Someone like this will literally and actually dominate someone else's entire life if allowed.

Being passive or wishy washy with a person like this doesn't work and do them any favours.

Again, I live with this every day. I strongly suspect BIL is on the spectrum, too, but he's also a very lazy person. I think MIL assumed we'd take him on when she dies - she does everything for him and he's always lived at home - but we have repeated over and over that it won't be happening and leave them to it.

It's very hard, because our instinct is to nurture, help, etc but with some people you have to be as hard as nails and stubborn as they are or they will take over your life.

ShipOfTheseus · 19/03/2021 12:16

@LunaHeather

She is clearly capable of managing her own life.

Say no. The end.

She clearly isn’t capable, though.
Blueberries0112 · 19/03/2021 12:17

They started placing Asperger’s as autism now. A lot these people are high functioning.

hardboiledeggs · 19/03/2021 12:18

Nope. Just no, no explanation needed. Your house so nope.

LunaHeather · 19/03/2021 12:19

Ship why do you think she isn't capable?

I'd go further and say she knows exactly what she's doing.

WallaceinAnderland · 19/03/2021 12:19

If it wasn't for the fact that she has ASD I think we'd both say a firm no

Well there's your answer then, you're going to let her live with you.

IrmaFayLear · 19/03/2021 12:20

I remember a thread from some years ago where an OP in the US had in-laws who had blown everything on one of those mega-RVs in which they planned to travel round, but wanted to winter in the OP's house in an annexe built at OP's expense.

I don't know what the outcome was, but it is very difficult when one half of a couple has a "problem" relation for whom they feel responsibility, and the other feels they are a bit of a CF.

I suspect that the sil knows that asking for a studio conversion is unreasonable, so the logical next step is moving in long-term or permanently into OP's house.

Really OP and dh need to present a united front and decide what works for both of them before tackling sil's expectations.

LunaHeather · 19/03/2021 12:20

@Blueberries0112

They started placing Asperger’s as autism now. A lot these people are high functioning.
I think I am on the spectrum

Never bothered to find out.

muddyford · 19/03/2021 12:20

The SIL had a thirty year career. She obviously managed her life and finances until that ended.

C3SC · 19/03/2021 12:22

People confuse 'high function autism' with essentially being neuro-typical but a bit eccentric or socially different. It's simple not the case
Is there a blood test or a brain scan so that you can tell the difference?

Cowbells · 19/03/2021 12:24

Just say no, really directly. She was clearly informed of the problems of buying the chalet as a main home. She overspent on the mobile home but she still has it. It is where she can live until the chalets reopen. But not necessarily with you.

FWIW she can legally park her van in Scotland more easily than in England, at beautiful loch-side locations, so why not suggest she takes a jaunt there. If she's hard up she needs to earn or sell one of her properties.

Tell her you have no intention of converting your garage and even if it were an option, she would have to pay for it, not you.

Well1000 · 19/03/2021 12:25

If your dh is feeling obligated now, do you think he is going to kick her out of her permanent residence when the shit really hits the fan??
I think your decision needs to come down to which one you want more 1.To help her or 2. Your marriage, because that will be the biggest mistake you make

willibald · 19/03/2021 12:25

@C3SC

People confuse 'high function autism' with essentially being neuro-typical but a bit eccentric or socially different. It's simple not the case Is there a blood test or a brain scan so that you can tell the difference?
No Hmm.
C3SC · 19/03/2021 12:25

Someone like this will literally and actually dominate someone else's entire life if allowed
Isn't this more the behaviour of a narcissist 🤔

Crosstrainer · 19/03/2021 12:25

My understanding is that 2 kitchens = 2 lots of council tax.

That’s basically right - certainly if you’re talking about a garage annexe. (Some councils will give a 50% discount for a dependent relative, I think - but it’s still a large, ongoing bill).

Why does the SIL get to have a private paradise and the OP doesn’t?