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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
Reallybadidea · 19/03/2021 10:51

@GrandDuchessRomanov

You might want to take advice from Alan Bennett over this OP :)
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littlefireseverywhere · 19/03/2021 10:51

I'd say no NO NO NO NO. Honestly what an imposition. It's not as if she's leaving an abusive husband or in ill health, then these might be times when you'd be more compassionate. She needs to get a job, as you say rent out the complex for some weeks of the year to provide extra income and then she can go and do wonderful stuff in Jan & Feb each year.

BigPaperBag · 19/03/2021 10:52

We’ve been stuck with this @ploomo but it’s with my mum. The situation is practically identical, are you me???!! We’re having to take on a larger mortgage than we can really afford so we can get a place with a granny flat and I will admit it grates. Otherwise, she’ll be on her uppers. It’s up to you what you do really but just bear in mind she’s not just going to go away. Although saying that, why isn’t her son helping?

wandawombat · 19/03/2021 10:53

I would note the "she was annoyed & moved ..." thing cropped up several times in the OP. Is she getting difficult?

Easterbunnygettingready · 19/03/2021 10:55

Is isn't difficult to add battery /soalr power system to her van...

StoneofDestiny · 19/03/2021 10:56

Crikey - no way. Nightmare.

HollowTalk · 19/03/2021 10:58

She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise

Yet she can't accept you might feel the same way?

Do you know how much she had to live on per month? Police pensions are pretty good, aren't they, but most seem to get other jobs afterwards. Not many people can afford to just stop work at 50.

I would be really firm with your husband and say there's no way she can stay for extended periods (particularly as she doesn't accept visitors herself) and there's no way any building work to accommodate her should take place. It might need you taking it to the wire to drum it in, though.

TokyoSushi · 19/03/2021 10:58

You need to be really firm here even if it risks a falling out otherwise she'll worm her way in and you'll end up with her living off you, and sleeping in your garage permanently.

The answer needs to be a very clear absolutely no and you need to start with that now. Good luck!

Lacucuracha · 19/03/2021 10:59

She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

Yet she's happy to ruin your own private paradise!

OP, put your foot down, she sounds like an entitled nightmare.

She should sell the lodge an a 1 bed flat. Wash your hands of her mess.

HerMammy · 19/03/2021 11:01

£60k on a van?!
She’s a big girl and needs to sort this out herself.

Tooshytoshine · 19/03/2021 11:02

She has assets in the van and the holiday let, and has held a professional job so is an adult capable of looking after herself. My parents had a similar issue with BiL who moved to Turkey after early retirement, lived off UK property sale for a couple of decades as a bare functioning alcoholic expat and returned destitute with a plan to put a static caravan on land adjacent to their house. To cut a long story short, this didn't happen and he is fine - and living in a property preferable to an old age spent in a caravan.

Personally, I would side step the issue. Tell her that there is no point converting the garage when you don't know your own retirement plans (which are none of her business), and it is better that she looks into other long term options as you are not the solution. If questioned, reflect it back at her and remind her how important (read: selfish and shortsighted) her own retirement plans were to her and how she wanted privacy, luxury and independence - all things you want for yourselves and can't provide for her.

Saltyslug · 19/03/2021 11:03

You don’t have to accommodate her if you don’t want to. You can tell her what works for you.

She might be better off looking for a barge and living on a boat instead. Much cheaper and mobile so if she doesn’t like somewhere she could move on. That and her camper van might be a good combination.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 19/03/2021 11:04

@GoWalkabout

She should get on a housing association list. If eligible. Say no!
Our local HA isn’t even putting people on the list now unless they’re basically homeless with children. She owns a property and has spunked a load of money away. She’ll be very low down the list if even allowed on it.

I agree, you’ve got to say no or she’ll be living in your garage even into her retirement. You’ll have her in your home for 30+ years, and the older she gets, the harder you’ll find it to chuck her out. At 55 most people are still working full time and many of them are juggling kids etc. There’s no reason why she can’t get an admin or supermarket job.

Saltyslug · 19/03/2021 11:04

You probably need to reduce your help to enable her to step up

AintPageantMaterial · 19/03/2021 11:04

She thinks it is reasonable to say ‘No’ to renting out the lodge and ‘No’ to selling the camper van. She needs to accept that it is reasonable for you to say ‘No’ to converting your garage.
Are you ever likely to move? If so, are you content that you have to fund a property with ancillary accommodation for her? It really would be more sensible to force her to confront the hole in her planning now. She is her own responsibility. It’s fine to ask family for occasional help but that’s not what she’s doing. She’s basing her entire life plan on you.

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:05

FFS, grow a spine! She needs to be told NO or she will be living with you permanently. She needs to be told NO right now. Why the fuck are just sitting there letting her steam roll all over you? She's in her 50s. I'd actually get a divorce before my useless BIL or SIL moved in with us, but I wouldn't have to because DH has the measure of them both, too, and would never allow it. SIL fucked up her life staying with a gambler and still in contact with him, BIL is a lazy entitled fuckwit.

Utterly stupid not to stand up to her and tell her NO, she needs to make other plans.

BigPaper, no one is making you take on a mortgage you can't afford because your mother spunks money up a wall.

The hell I'd compromise my own financial security, my DHs or my kids' for an irresponsible family member.

She's blown all the money, OP. First thing is to tell your DH this will not be happening, no converting to a flat because you will not be having his sister live with you. Then she needs to be told, 'No, we're not converting our house to have you live with us. If you've blown all our money, you need to take responsibility for it and make other plans but we have our own and they don't include other people living with us.'

Nip this in the bud now.

ploomo · 19/03/2021 11:05

@BrumBoo

No, she absolutely shouldn't expect you to essentially house her.

However, she is in a vulnerable if she's been diagnosed with autism, and the older she gets the more vulnerable she will become. There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality, and her disaster with finances could well be part of her condition. In this sense she really does need help and support rather be told she's an 'adult who needs to get on with it'. Could she possibly be referred to a support worker or ask social services which agency would be most appropriate before she finds herself destitute?

Thanks, BrumBoo, for acknowledging that we are dealing with someone who has difficulties as a result of her ASD. Before she was diagnosed we were all aware of how different she was and so when she got her diagnosis her need for control and touring and difficulty reading between the lines or communicating in a nuanced way made sense. I think when the site owner told her not to worry, he'd let her stay there all year round, she believed him completely. Whereas I think most people would raise an eyebrow and not rely on him to keep his word.

If it wasn't for the fact that she has ASD I think we'd both say a firm no, but we're both aware that she's quite vulnerable. Though probably not vulnerable enough to be of interest to SS. She's a grown-up who's living a very enviable life. I'll talk to Social Services but I'm not sure they'll take it seriously.

OP posts:
Sundances · 19/03/2021 11:05

I know people in a ?is it Park Home. Small chalet house but all year round. Could she sell up where she is and move to one of those.

HelloDulling · 19/03/2021 11:05

Where is her son in all this? He needs to be involved in getting her to make some better choices.

billybagpuss · 19/03/2021 11:06

You know the answer has to be no she’s only 50 you could have another 50 years of this. You have to be strong. Her current ‘paradise’ Isn’t a long term solution, she needs to sell up, sell the van and buy a cheap runaround and a flat so she can be inde

billybagpuss · 19/03/2021 11:06

Independent

Saltyslug · 19/03/2021 11:07

This might be more up her street?

www.canaljunction.com/boat/liveaboard.htm

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:08

@HelloDulling

Where is her son in all this? He needs to be involved in getting her to make some better choices.
No, he doesn't. She's an adult. He lives abroad. I suspect there is a very good reason for this, too.
8misskitty8 · 19/03/2021 11:08

No way unless you are happy to have her live with you forever and eventually be her carer as that is what will happen.
I notice you make no mention of her paying anything towards the electricity she’s getting from your house to the camper van ? So you’ll have a large bill for that coming from her extra use.
Who will finance this studio flat and pay the second council tax (this is a possibility if it is a new dwelling) ?
The sil should sell the van and buy or rent a studio flat or sell her lodge. She’s living beyond her means and it is not you or your husbands reponsibility to finance her lifestyle.

BurgundyBells · 19/03/2021 11:08

and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge
Even if you could suck up her staying in Jan and Feb every year, she's clearly intending to live with you permanently at some point.

I've voted YABU because you're being so passive about it.

It's not just your SIL that needs to pull her big girl pants up. So do you. You think there's a strong liklihood dh will soon start on the conversion?

Go and stand in front of a mirror and practice sounding out Fuck. No. Then go and say it to your dh or you'll be back in here in 3 years time moaning about your SIL that lives with you.

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