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SiL wants to live with us 2 months a year

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ploomo · 19/03/2021 10:26

Sorry this is so long, there's quite a lot of detail required to avoid drip-feeding.

My DH's sister is 55, my DH is 59. She worked for the police in an administrative capacity for many years and was early-retired/ made redundant (she's never told us which) at 50. She married young and had a child, but they split up by the time she was 30 and she's been on her own since then. Her son moved to Ireland years ago and has a family there. After leaving the police service she was diagnosed as being high-functioning ASD, which didn't come as a huge surprise to anyone.

When she received her redundancy/ retirement money she sold the house she'd lived in for years and bought a beautiful-looking 'lodge' on a holiday park site. It has a really stunning sea view. We could see the attraction, but not as a main home. We, and everyone else who was aware of her plan, pointed out that she wasn't allowed to live there all year round and has to vacate in January and February each year. We also pointed out that the contract stipulated that after 20 years she'd need to replace the lodge with another. The site fees add up to nearly £6000 a year and she had another decade to go before her state pension kicked in. She said she'd had years of work and compromise and for once she wanted to treat herself to something special. She said she'd done a deal with the site owner and he'd allow her to live there all year round, despite the regulations.

She moved in and it was heaven for a while but within a few months she'd fallen out with the site owner and also with several other lodge owners who'd come down at the weekends with their children who ran around and made noise. That first year she came to stay with us for new year and didn't go home till early March. DH and I both work and we're not hard-up so we just gritted our teeth and coped. DH made it clear that she needed to make alternative arrangements for the next year.

The next year she went to Australia for two months and had the holiday of a lifetime. The year after that she stayed with her son and his family in Ireland for a month and then in Air BnBs in southern Spain. The cost of all this was clearly getting out of hand and last summer she decided she needed a long-term solution and decided to buy a camper van to live in over the winter. She's spent nearly £60,000 on a brand new bespoke VW camper van done out to her own design. It's been resprayed her favourite colour, it's got leather seats in her favourite colour, the worktops are her favourite colour — but it's tiny and she needs to have an electricity supply so that she can use the microwave and the heater.

In late December she packed the stuff she'd need to get through the winter and went off in the van to park up in the yard of a friend who owns a farm. We're not sure what happened, but after a fortnight she left there and has been staying in the van outside various peoples' houses. She came to us during the cold spell in February and we ran an electric cable out to the van so she could have the heater on in it 24/7. She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night. It's as if Covid regulations don't exist for her. At the end of February the site owner contacted everyone who owns a lodge to say that because of Covid the site wouldn't be open until after Easter, so it looks as if she'll be around for another few weeks.

A couple of days ago she came up with a new solution to the problem. She wants us to convert our garage into a studio flat so that she can come and live here in the winter, and so that she has a fall-back in a few years if she can't afford to keep the lodge. My DH talked to her and we suspect she's blown all the money she got from the sale of the house and her savings and is now struggling.

I say she needs to get a job and work until her state pension kicks in but she won't hear that. Nor will she think of selling the camper van. We've suggested she rents out her lodge for £1000 a week from Easter to September and lives in the van and she assumed we were joking. She doesn't have visitors, it's her private paradise, she'd never dream of renting it out and she'd very offended we'd suggest it.

I realise there's nothing we can do. She's made her decisions and has to live with them. What I'd like to hear are the experiences of others with family members who live in static homes or similar situations, and those with experience of relatives who anticipate that they'll be looked after by family. Where do you draw the boundaries? My DH is worried sick about her. I think there's a strong likelihood that he'll start preparing to convert the garage and utility into a studio flat for her and I can see her ending up living with us permanently, which isn't something either of us want!

OP posts:
C3SC · 19/03/2021 11:45

OMG she's planned it all.....surely🤷🏼‍♀️

bridgetreilly · 19/03/2021 11:45

Honestly this really is one of those situations where 'No' is a complete sentence. She is an adult. She has to make responsible decisions for her own life and you cannot enable her to keep making terrible choices in the way that she has been doing.

Eddielzzard · 19/03/2021 11:46

You just can't sacrifice your life for hers. While yes, she is a vulnerable adult she is also refusing to live within her means and consider any solutions. Unless you are completely happy to have her on your property, and she won't disturb you or make any impositions (like no noise, no friends round) and you're totally happy for this situation to continue for the rest of her / your life, go right ahead. Otherwise, NO.

@GrandDuchessRomanov, what is the wise Alan Bennett's advice on this?

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:47

Failing that be there and support your DH with what he feels is best.

Which is him converting their house and the SIL living with them.

Carbara · 19/03/2021 11:48

Sounds like a problem for miss moneybags to solve. Tell your husband that it won’t be happening, and don’t give the woman’s lifestyle choices a second thought.

Lacucuracha · 19/03/2021 11:49

I find it hard someone to believe someone with such brass balls (suggesting other people to build a studio flat for her to live in) is that vulnerable that she can't be made to understand that she needs to sell her assets for a secure home.

bakingdemon · 19/03/2021 11:49

Another voice here for absolutely do not let this happen. You'll never get rid of her and then she'll be your problem for the rest of your/her lives.

Nith · 19/03/2021 11:51

I realise there's nothing we can do

Yes, there is. You can simply say no. She won't be left destitute.

C3SC · 19/03/2021 11:51

@Lacucuracha

I find it hard someone to believe someone with such brass balls (suggesting other people to build a studio flat for her to live in) is that vulnerable that she can't be made to understand that she needs to sell her assets for a secure home.
I agree she's shockingly entitled and confident it's hard to see her as a vulnerable person 😳🤷🏼‍♀️
nanbread · 19/03/2021 11:51

Wow there are some really ignorant comments on this thread, with no appreciation of the challenges autism can bring people - it impacts decision making, ways of thinking, relationships etc.

All the people saying "well my nephew is autistic and never had these problems and is really successful" or telling OP her SIL is stupid please educate yourselves before posting. If you've met one autistic person you've met one autistic person.

The SIL really needs support. That doesn't have to look like her moving in but have some fucking empathy, people.

This sounds very hard and not sure what the solution is... but so disappointed that so many PPs have no idea just how ASD can affect people, and especially women in midlife (very little research or support).

Hear hear.

TryingAgain16 · 19/03/2021 11:53

What will almost certainly happen is when she comes to sell the lodge the value will tank. Site managers hold all the cards. I friend of mine bought one for 76k. She wanted to sell it 18 months later due to change of circumstances and I am confident the site owners scammed her. They said they had an offer of 41k and my friend took it. I believe the site owner blocked all viewings and was the person that bought it through an intermediary.

nanbread · 19/03/2021 11:53

@C3SC your posts are the perfect example of the ignorance I speak of.

Lacucuracha · 19/03/2021 11:54

She came in to use our loo and bathroom and washing machine each day and ended up just living with us during the day and sleeping in the van at night.

I guarantee the same will happen if you build the studio. She will sleep in the studio and spend all day at your house.

willibald · 19/03/2021 11:55

The SIL really needs support. That doesn't have to look like her moving in but have some fucking empathy, people.

She's unwilling to engage with support from the sounds of it, again, this is an issue with some with this condition, it certainly is with my son. It's her way or the highway. Again, my son is a lot like this. So you have to be very firm with people like this. Again, my son, you give him an inch and he'll take a mile, has similar far-fetched ideas, entitlement and stubbornness.

You can't help people like this by enabling them, sadly.

WetWeekends · 19/03/2021 11:55

@GoWalkabout

She should get on a housing association list. If eligible. Say no!
I very much doubt they’ll consider her eligible when she owns a lodge even though it’s on a site that isn’t all year round, but I might be wrong.
PurpleMustang · 19/03/2021 11:56

I think with her Autism she does need someone to help, overlook, her finances so that she doesn't make bad decisions. And she needs be realistic about accepting this help. She can not expect others to just put up with her decisions if she will not accept help overseeing finances. She obviously is one that if you give and inch will take a mile. Whether that is due to her Autism or being a CF only you will know. BUT being dismissive of reasonable options and then deciding you are going to convert your home for her is being a CF. Although maybe she can't see the full picture and is worried about money but doesn't want to admit it. She needs support, but arms length financial direction not to live with you

Blueberries0112 · 19/03/2021 11:56

Oh btw, my sister stayed with us for over a year now... my husband hate it that she is here and he tried talking to her. It has put a strained on our relationship and she doesn’t even know it. She promised to go see a career counseling but I think she didn’t do it. She keep telling me she doesn’t want to work for anyone . Every time I hear her says this ,my thoughts is always “if you taking advantage of someone’s else generosity, you don’t get that opportunity,go find your dream job in Paris after you get a job and place.” She stayed with us for over 3 years before So I slightly pushed her getting a job she didn’t want at all, and I think she resent me for it. Her job involved doctors and nurses and she feel bullied by them all the time (she was a coordinator of some sort)

It put a strain on my relationship with her as well. If I wasn’t married with kids, this wouldn’t bother me but I feel like my kids don’t need a second adult

BlackAmericanoNoSugar · 19/03/2021 11:57

@RandomMess

Isn't property in Ireland much cheaper? She could sell up and buy outright there as an option?
Ha ha ha ha ha, NO! There is a huge shortage of homes as the population has been growing rapidly. There are cheap home in the arse end of nowhere, but the arse end of nowhere would also be cheap in the UK. (Fairly recent mover from UK to Ireland so speaking from experience.)
Lacucuracha · 19/03/2021 11:58

The SIL really needs support. That doesn't have to look like her moving in but have some fucking empathy, people.

But that support should be helping her to make wise choices for her future security, not effectively moving her in.

Let's not throw one woman (OP) under a bus, to help another. It's funny how the son gets to walk away from all this.

Who do you think would have to care for SIL if she got sick? It won't be DH, it will be OP.

RubyFakeLips · 19/03/2021 12:00

Difficult as she is somewhat vulnerable and your DH obviously feels he is responsible for her.

Ultimately, many previous posters are correct in that if the conversion happens, she will most likely be living with you within a few years. Definitely, if she needs to replace the lodge.

I would say no, as it isn't feasible for you two. However, you will help her find a solution. She should have an appointment, ideally with one of you present, with a financial advisor. Someone who is unbiased and can help ascertain her future income, and consequently what sort of expenditure she can have.

The issue of her needing permanent housing will only worsen as time goes on. Sounds like she will need to consolidate her assets and get a different property that she can live in year round.

LolaSmiles · 19/03/2021 12:00

I find it hard someone to believe someone with such brass balls (suggesting other people to build a studio flat for her to live in) is that vulnerable that she can't be made to understand that she needs to sell her assets for a secure home
Same here.
She has money and assets but wants to continue living a leisurely lifestyle.

There's something off about people choosing to stop working at 50 but then complain about money or expect others to prop them up.

Lacucuracha · 19/03/2021 12:01

There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality

I'm not an expert, but there are threads on MN where people with high functioning autism have had successful careers and a home.

Blueberries0112 · 19/03/2021 12:03

“There's no such thing as 'high functioning autism' in reality”

There is. Some people didn’t even know they are autistic

thenightsky · 19/03/2021 12:03

@GrandDuchessRomanov

You might want to take advice from Alan Bennett over this OP :)
Grin
ShipOfTheseus · 19/03/2021 12:03

I think there’s some harsh replies on this. I’m quite shocked. Some people just aren’t very good at coping and managing things, especially with ASD. They are vulnerable and need support. A proper plan needs to be put in place, because no doubt the situation is just going to worsen with age. Not saying that you convert your garage into a studio. But a long term solution needs to be found. And she will need help with this. Obviously, her refusal to rent out the static home is problematic. It’s an easy solution and the most obvious - for now.